Vegan/vegetarian kids?

DeborahG

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Can anyone recommend any books/resources regarding vegan and/or vegetarian diets for children? My 6- and 8-year-olds do not eat meat, and they eat almost no dairy. I do not eat meat or dairy either, but I want to read up on the differing nutritional needs of kids in this regard.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Have a great weekend!

Deborah
 
That reminded me of a recent news story from France:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/01/joel-sergine-le-moaligou-convicted

Joel and Sergine Le Moaligou convicted of causing child's deathFrench couple who refused to take their sick and undernourished daughter to hospital were sentenced to five years in jail
guardian.co.uk
Friday 1 April 2011

A French couple who refused to take their sick and undernourished daughter to hospital and treated her with cabbage and clay compressions have been convicted of causing her death.

Joel and Sergine Le Moaligou, who fed the 11-month-old child on nothing but breast milk were accused of "neglect or food deprivation" after ignoring their doctor and seeking advice in a 35-year-old book on alternative medicine.

A judge sentenced both to five years in jail. However, they escaped prison after part of the sentence was suspended and the time they had served in custody was taken into account.

State attorney, Anne-Laure Sandretto, had called for a 10-year sentence against the couple who were convinced they could cure their daughter's pneumonia with traditional remedies. She also suggested the mother's vegan diet could have contributed to the death of the child, though this was argued over by experts giving evidence in the case.

"We are not here to judge their alternative life style but to decide if this man and this woman have shown a lack of care and caused the death of their child," said Sandretto.

She said the parents had been "blind, and sure of being right" and that this conviction had overridden their love for their daughter.

Dr Stéphane Bernard told the court at Amiens in northern France how the couple had refused to take Louise immediately to hospital after seeing him in January 2008, two months before she died.

"I suspected she was suffering from pneumonia and told them to go straight to casualty for an x-ray and blood test. I told them quite clearly it was pneumonia, which is more serious than bronchitis because the lungs were infected," he said.

"I didn't prescribe any drugs because in my mind it was obvious they'd go to casualty. I didn't even weigh the child as I was convinced they'd do it at hospital."

Afterwards, however, the Moaligou returned home and consulted their books on natural medicine. They continued to treat Louise with mustard, garlic and clay, the jury was told.

Defence lawyer Stéphane Daquo said: "During the nine-month medical check-up they did not follow the doctor's advice to take the baby, suffering from bronchitis and losing weight, to hospital. They preferred recipes based on clay or cabbage poultices taken from what they had read."

The couple's alternative 'bible' was The Natural Guide to Childhood written in 1972, by Jeanette Dextreit, 88, who defended her book in a video link to the court saying it had been written "a long time ago".

"It was book on (child)rearing not a book of treatment. I didn't say to consult a doctor if the illness persisted because, for me, that was obvious," she said.

At the beginning of March, however the Moaligou parents realised Louise was losing weight; at 11 months she was just 5.7 kg, 18% less than she had been six weeks earlier and well below the average weight of 8 kg for a child of her age.

Even so, eight days later the couple cancelled an appointment with their doctor and just over a week later on March 25, Louise died.

Paramedics called to the family home said the baby was pale and underweight.

Earlier in the hearing, Sandretto had made a direct link between the child's death and the fact that her mother was a vegan – shunning animal products including eggs, fish or honey. As the child had been fed on nothing but breast milk, she said this could have led to the severe deficiencies of albumin, protein and vitamins A and B12 making Louise susceptible to the bronchial infection that killed her.

"The problem of the vitamin B12 deficiency would be linked to the diet of the mother," said Sandretto. Reports of her claims sparked furious letters from vegetarians and vegans to The Guardian and local newspaper.

The parents had stopped eating meat and other animal products after "seeing a television programme on the transport of animals to abattoirs", Stéphane Daquo, Mrs Moaligou's lawyer told the court.

However the elder daughter Elodie, 13, was not suffering the same vitamin deficiencies, and other witnesses suggested their rejection of conventional medicine was more of a factor than their diet.

Another doctor, who saw Louise in December 2007, said she was in good health and denied links previously made in court between her death and the mother's vegan diet.

"I saw an eight month old child breastfed by her vegan mother and found her in perfect health," he said.

"We didn't realise the seriousness of the situation," Mrs Moaligou, 45, told the court, her 50-year-old husband added: "We were convinced we could treat her naturally."

The couple only wanted "the best" for their children insisted their lawyers adding the parents were "aware of the mistakes they had made".


CTV.ca News StaffDate: Wed. Mar. 30 2011 11:02 PM ET

A vegan couple in France who fed their 11-month-old daughter only breast milk and appeared to ignore signs of her poor health are now on trial for the girl's death.


The couple, Sergine and Joel Le Moaligou, are strict vegans who chose to feed their daughter, Louise, no solid food, giving her only breast milk.

After Louise died in March 2008, a post-mortem exam showed the child weighed just 5.7 kg (12.5 pounds) when she should have weighed about 8 kg (17.5 lbs).

The cause of death was listed as a pneumonia-related illness. But the autopsy also revealed the child suffered from a severe deficiency of vitamins A and B12, which may have left her susceptible to infection.

The vitamin B12 deficiency could be linked to the mother's eating habits, since the only source of the vitamin is meat, dairy or vitamin supplements.

The couple reportedly did not follow their doctor's advice to take their daughter to hospital when they went for her nine-month checkup and found she was suffering from bronchitis and was losing weight.

The court has heard that the parents chose instead to treat her with cabbage poultices, mustard, camphor and clay.

The couple has been charged with "neglect or food deprivation followed by death" and face up to 30 years in prison if convicted. The trial is expected to last until Friday.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110330/france-vegan-child-death-110330/
 
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Check out VeganRunningMom. She has lots of references to different cook books and websites. Her name is Megan, she is from San Francisco, and is a Boston qualifying runner. I listen to her podcast. I think the most important thing to watch out for would be a good vegan B12 supplement.

Alisha
 
Morningstar:
Why would you bring up that case? Especially since I'm sure it's not of much help to Deborah. Did you want to suggest that vegan diets are unhealthy for children?

The unfortunate suffering and death child wasn't due to the fact that she was eating a vegan diet, but that she was deprived of essentials nutrients by ignorant parents.

Deborah,
There are several books about raising vegan children on Amazon. Not having children, I haven't read them, but Vesanto Melina is one of the authors of "Raising Vegetarian Children" (I assume there may be info on veganism in there as well). She is a well-known and highly respected registered dietician who specialises in veganism/vegetarianism.

I know Matt Ball and Anne Green from Vegan Outreach, as well as their vegan-since-birth (actually, since in the womb!) daughter Ellen, who is a great example of a healthy child.

There is some info on vegan children on the website: http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/preginfchil and I found a link to this website for vegan parents there as well: http://spawnbetter.com/

HTH!
 
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My friend's son has been a vegetarian his whole life--by his choice. He never ate animal products because he didn't want to. His mother is not veg. He is now 21 years old and a senior at Harvard and still veg. Millions of children in India are raised vegetarian with no ill effects at all. There is no way you can equate that article with raising a vegetarian or vegan child.
 
Morningstar:
Why would you bring up that case? Especially since I'm sure it's not of much help to Deborah. Did you want to suggest that vegan diets are unhealthy for children?

The unfortunate suffering and death child wasn't due to the fact that she was eating a vegan diet, but that she was deprived of essentials nutrients by ignorant parents.

I would have thought it was obvious, Kathryn. I brought it up because the original poster asked for information about raising healthy vegan children. I actually expected you to respond just as you did, within the time frame you did. I appreciate your consistency and predictability!
 
Kuddos to YOU...

I raised my boys Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian.
Youngest is now 29y.

They were never sick (except the time when a lazy mom brought her 5 children to church with chickenpox - just so she wouldn't miss out on anything)....
They never had the flu - homeschooled
They never threw up - disgusting feeling for anyone
They were strong and healthy.....and VERY TALL. (*)
I didn't have any books. I just fixed a variety of foods.

There are many books and articles that support your quest.
Here is a page that Yahoo offers for a great many choices.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-swat02&p=Raising vegetarian / vegan children&type=

Good Luck to you --- It is a wonderful thing you are doing to give your children the best possible nutritional start on their lives.

:)
 
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BTW....

BTW.....

I nursed both my children.
The eldest for 6 weeks then to formula as directed by the x-physician.
The youngest for 1 year solely, no other food at all.

Sometimes children fail to thrive because of their own gut deficiencies.
Many physicians don't understand the process....and many miss the malfunctioning sphincter muscles in the GI tract.....which minor surgery can correct.

It's a grateful parent when a physician is on their toes.
It's a hateful mob when they are not.

Unfortunately, the parents take the brunt of the responsibility.

I'm sure DeborahG is responsible enough to choose what is best for her children - and it is obvious, as she posted - that is seeking any information that will help her in that quest.

BEST OF SUCCESS TO YOU DeborahG.

PS.....I know many, many parents who raised vegetarian children
--> I assure you - they are happy, healthy, productive adults -- contributing significantly to society as every one of them have high ethics.....both for the environment - and fellow-citizens.
(no matter how rude they are in their postings)
 
I eat a lot of Indian food which for me is the most satisfying vegan food available (I'm not vegan, but like to dabble in it from time to time :p). From my reading, Indian children are introduced to the spiciness of that cuisine gradually, where the dishes are made with little spice that is increased as they grow older.

A good book to get you started is 660 Curries by Ragahvan Iyer. Check to see if your library has a copy. I also like www.showmethecurry.com.

Personally I tend to stick with the dals, but there are a lot of veggie options in Indian cuisine as well. If you do get into Indian food, there will be trips to your local Indian market, but don't be intimidated by the unusual spices. That's what makes the food so unique and satisifying, Good luck!
 
Thanks for all of the information, links, and encouragement, ladies. These should keep me busy all day (thereby giving me an excuse to delay cleaning my house -- and added benefit!) I also decided to order "Raising Vegetarian Children." (Thanks for the suggestion, Kathryn.) After reading reviews of it, it appears to have a lot of information on vegan children, as well. (This discussion also reminded me that I bought a book entitled "Disease-Proof Your Children" by Dr. Joel Fuhrman years ago, and I'm going to dust that off and see what it has on the topic.)

Thanks again, and any more input is, of course, welcome.

Have a great day!
Deborah
 
Deborah,
You also might want to try introducing some green smoothies to your kids: a way of getting in some nutritious green veggies.

A basic one is one frozen banana, a handful of kale or baby spinach, and enough water to make the consistency you'd like. If it's too 'green' tasting for the kids, a bit of stevia and/or a squeeze of lime (my preference) or lemon can cut the green flavor. As for the color: it's really pretty, IMO, and you can call it something kid-friendly like 'dinosaur smoothie' (especially if you use dino kale, LOL!)

Another option is to mix frozen banana, peeled orange, and greens with enough water to thin to desire texture.

Start out with more banana and less greens, and gradually reduce the proportion of greens to banana as the kids develop more of a taste for the greens.
 
That's a good idea, Kathryn. I'm going to try it tomorrow morning. I'm not sure why I didn't think of it, as my husband and I have a green smoothie with kale and fruit every morning. I guess I assumed they'd be put off by the color (which they sometimes comment negatively on when I drink mine). I'll have to implement the dinosaur suggestion. Or maybe call it a "martian smoothie," because they're partial to aliens.

Thanks again for the ideas. Your input is very much appreciated! It's been a fun journey raising near-vegan kids in a not-so-vegan world, but I'm always learning and never regretting.

Have a great night,
Deborah
 

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