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Thanks Jodelle and Carola.

Carola, I weigh about 134, and if I assume I need 1 g protein per kg weight, and I eat 1600 calories/day for weight loss (which has been working for me so far), that's about 15.2% protein. I can definitely do that. I see you mentioned gaining muscle on a diet with about that much protein. So, that recommendation (~1 g protein/kg weight) is for anyone, including those (like me) that lift heavy weights 3 times a week and do intense cardio as well?

Does anyone have an opinion on the soy safety question, though?
 
Thanks Jodelle and Carola.

Carola, I weigh about 134, and if I assume I need 1 g protein per kg weight, and I eat 1600 calories/day for weight loss (which has been working for me so far), that's about 15.2% protein. I can definitely do that. I see you mentioned gaining muscle on a diet with about that much protein. So, that recommendation (~1 g protein/kg weight) is for anyone, including those (like me) that lift heavy weights 3 times a week and do intense cardio as well?

Does anyone have an opinion on the soy safety question, though?

Soy is a little controversial. The concern is that the estrogen-like substances (isoflavones) in soy may stimulate the estrogen receptors of breast cancer cells and make them grow.

There are others who say that soy protects women from breast cancer based on the belief that the isoflavone's estrogen-like power is weak, much less than the body's own estradiol, therefore if the weaker isoflavones occupy the estrogen receptors instead of your body's stronger own estrogen the theory is that the receptors will be less "turned on" and therefore inhibit growth.

It is often referenced that women in Asia have much less occurance of breast cancer. Personally I believe it has nothing to do with soy but everything to do with the fact that they keep their animal protein intake low, rarely eat dairy and eat much higher amounts of fruits and vegetables than we do. People in Asia don't eat soy breakfast sausages, smoothies made from soy protein, etc.

I had breast cancer, therefore, unless they find conclusive evidence that soy is actually beneficial for me I'll stay away from it and stick with other protein sources.

If you like soy, I'd probably stick with fermented soy because it is easier digestible, limit it to a few times per week and stay away from soy protein powders, processed soy, etc. because it really is unknown if the soy isoflavones are safe in such high concentrations.

As to your other question and this is only my personal opinion and experience, I don't buy that high amounts of protein would really make a difference in performance or muscle building, I think it's a myth, created by some clever marketing.

From my own experience on higher protein diets my performance actually suffered greatly. Now on my vegetarian diet of course I have some days better than others but in general I can see a lot improvement. I lift heavy 2 to 3 times per week (chest up to 20 lbs, biceps 15 lbs, back 25 lbs, shoulders .... ummh let's not talk about that one :eek:) and I do cardio 5 to 6 times per week, mostly running. I have at least one 10 mile run per week, the others are usually between 3 to 6 miles. 3 to 4 of them are HIIT.

I would consider that pretty high intensity, I don't notice any negative effects, I am visibly building muscle and considering that I had major surgery end of November I have made enormous progress over the past few months. In fact, I was never able to run 10 miles before. It seems like my "low-protein" diet is fueling the workouts pretty well.

That being said, everyone is different and this is what works for me.
HTH
 
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Hey vegans, I am officially trying veganism, and am really confused about soy. I've been reading lots of different articles/websites that pretty much say any non-fermented soy is bad for you.

What do you guys think? I have been trying to follow Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle, and trying to get about 30% of my calories from protein. Now that I'm not eating meat or dairy, I don't know how to get this at every meal. For those of you that try to keep your protein up, do you have to supplement with protein powder? Or do you feel you don't need that much protein?
IMO, far too many vegans eat too much processed soy (I did at one time: some days, I'll bet I had 2-3 servings of soy at each meal!)

Here's what I do about soy: I avoid isolated and concentrated soy products (with very few exceptions) and stick with soy 'foods': tempeh, edamame, soy milk tofu. I also limit my soy to maybe 2-4 servings per day, though often I don't have any soy at all.

30% of calories from protein isn't necessary. (But I'm sure protein powder manufacturers are happy many people think it is!). 20 would be the most I would recommend.

I do use protein powders as an ingredient in smoothies when I don't have or take the time for breakfast or a meal, but I prefer to get my nutrients from food. When I do use protein powders, I use hemp (probably the best all-round vegan protein powder), pea/rice combo proteins, SunWarrior rice protein or some combo of the above (and some with brazil nut protein or artichoke protein in).

(For the past 1 1/2 weeks, I've been doing high raw, so my feeding has changed quite a bit).
 
I think the confusion comes from the fact that proteins are made up from amino acids. We have a need for amino acids not protein. Humans cannot make 9 of the 22 amino acids that are needed and therefore must be consumed with diet. We need all of these 9 essential amino acids for our body to make protein.
An excellent point!
(And I think even that 9th one is somewhat optional, as our bodies can make it if we get enough of another one. I see anywhere from 8 to 10 essential amino acids, and I know that 10th one is needed in certain situations as well).

One benefit of raw foods (and soaked raw seeds and nuts) and plant foods in general is that one is eating amino acids that the body can use to build proteins, while if one eats some of the more touted forms of protein (meat, fish, eggs), one is ingesting proteins that the body must break down into individual amino acids, then recombine these for the proteins it needs.
 
Spirulina is a easily digestible, contains all 9 essential amino acids and is in fact second only to egg with regards to usable protein.
Actually, hemp is pretty high up there as well (with the albumin and other sort of protein it contains that is well absorbed).

Also, there are several newer protein powders (like SunWarrior and Nitrofusion) that process the rice the they are based on in a way that makes it very close to mother's milk in protein makeup.
 
Thank you both so much for all the information!

I am reading the Thrive diet and that diet includes hemp and information on it and all the amino acid/complete protein stuff. I don't know about some of the calorie contents (seem pretty high for some things) and the fact that he says calories are not that much of a concern. Since he is a professional athlete, I'm a bit nervous that he formulated that diet too much for that type of super active lifestyle. I'm sure I could just adjust the portions, although I'd have to see if the portions are actually filling when they're cut down. I may try it out.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond!
 
Good info...

I just wanted to post this article below for some further reading. I also do agree that 15-20% is a good range. However, from my experience as a half-marathon runner and teaching 4-5 classes a day at my fitness center, I know my body needs more than that. Last year I was training for a half-marathon and I did 55% carbs 30% fat, and 15% protein and I saw my body start to waste away. My body fat lowered, but my muscle mass went as well. I was only running about 25 miles per week, but by the time I did the marathon, although I made good time, I had pretty much imaciated my body due to what I found was lack of protein. I lost strength even though I had still been lifting and I got bloated alot from all the carbs, even though they were good complex carbs (no junk). Once I upped my protein to 30% I immediately felt stronger, and felt my muscles were starting to take shape again. Again I didn't change anything but my eating. My strength training sessions running and classes were all the same. Just my protein and carb ratio changed.
Every body is different and each of us is a scientific experiment in progress to see what works for our bodies. Some have different needs than others, some don't process carbs well, others don't process proteins well... You have to find the balance of whats right for you. Keep a food journal and documenting how you feel when you are eating a certain way will help that. While keep the journal if you find yourself tired, lethargic, bloated, etc. make some changes in your food choices and see what makes you feel better. Your body will tell you the nutrients it needs if you tune into it. Making sure that those choices all come from whole food sources and as close to nature as possible will also help. I do recommend protein supplements but only "for emergency use only" - by that I mean, when you are pressed for time and need something as a opposed to nothing. For example, when I have back to back clients and don't have time for several hours to prepare a meal or a snack but I can blend up a natural protein smoothie, I will do that as opposed to not eating at all, which is worse.
Anyways, hope that helps. Good luck on your journey to wellness and finding what your body needs!:)
http://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/101/nutrition-basics/how-much-protein-do-you-need.aspx
 
Sorry Jodelle, just read this and wanted to say thanks to you, too, for responding. Very interesting how different results are between people!
 

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