Tracie Long Debut -- Preview

First Impressions of the TLP Videos

If anybody's interested, here's my two cents' worth about Tracie Long's production company's first three functional fitness videos. They are, in order (and they do have an intended order): Core Foundations with Jeanne Anne Copleston; Functional Strength with Bonnie Geer; and Dynamic Strength and Power with Cindy Thorp.

I am really a monogamist now in my video training -- I'm a true Cathe-ite, and these videos were the first non-Cathe purchase I've made in five years. I honestly don't know what possessed me to do it; Tracie's always been a personal FIRM favorite, but so is Susan Harris and I have never been tempted to buy her later products. The idea of functional training was just very appealing to me and I guess that pushed me over the top. That or a hormone surge coinciding with my credit card being handy. :)

The jury's still out a little bit on what I think, since I've not yet done the third one and have only previewed it. These videos rate about a "B" so far, whereas I think Cathe's are all "A" (even those that are not my personal faves). I did Jeanne Anne and Bonnie yesterday back to back. I hadn't planned that, but I had some time and after Jeanne Anne I honestly felt like I was at the end of a long Cathe warmup (although pleasantly so), so I kept going with Bonnie.

First impressions are mostly positive. I didn't find them enormously difficult tapes, but all three are full of interesting moves that I've never done before. That alone presented some challenge. It felt really good to do some of the multiplanar training and I definitely saw new uses for the med ball. I will say that I did not use my 8 lb med ball like Wanda did -- I tried it and thought it added too much momentum for me and was not comfortable for one-handed use. Wanda, if you used that 8-pounder all the way through, you must be one BEASTLY woman! I substituted a 5-lb dumbbell wherever I could for the 2-to-3 pound ball that the video crew and instructor were using. Most of the time that worked fine.

After completing two whole tapes, for a total of about 100 minutes, I felt pleasantly worked out through the upper body and had worked up a mild sweat. My legs felt like they'd had a real quickie. I am not sore at all today and don't even think I have the early signs of any DOMS. In my opinion, none of these tapes has any aerobic use. There are several "aerobic" tunes on the third video, but they're very brief almost like Cathe's Boot Camp or C&W. They look like they'll be useful for functional training of the upper body, but my guess is there will be no real aerobic value to them.

Production values are okay, not great. I realize Tracie's production company is brand new and that these DVD's were sort of rushed out -- and it shows. Lots of little glitches. I know people complain about how long it takes SNM to get a Cathe DVD from filming to release, but her attention to detail is not present in these first offerings from TLP Productions. The set is truly barebones (it honestly does look like someone put up three of those black photographer's panels to create a workout "room", complete with carpeting and visible overhead track lighting) and the exercise crew looks like they filmed simply wearing whatever they wore to the gym. There's no uniformity to their clothing or equipment. Chaptering is basic. On one of my DVD's one of the chapters is erroneously indexed and when I click on it I go to another part of the DVD entirely. Music was pleasant but basically forgettable -- not bad, not motivating either. Voice-overs didn't match lips a lot and there were a few sound hiccups between sections. Aside from the sound hiccups there were also camera oddities -- strange camera angles and, as Kathryn mentioned, on the Cindy Thorp video there's a Reebok step that appears and disappears repeatedly during the video. I know equipment (and gloves) sometimes appears and vanishes on Cathe's videos, too, but on the Cindy Thorp video you do get much more of a continuity problem because there is no time allotted for you to go and retrieve, or put away, the step. You just have to know ahead of time to have it positioned where you can grab it or shove it out of the way. Lastly, I felt that all three instructors exhibited poor form on various moves. So did their crew, but that's more forgivable to me, by far, than having the instructor do it.

On the whole, I think I'll keep and use these for a while because they are useful for learning some new and different core training moves, and even a few new stretches. I do think I'll eventually sell them, in all honesty. I believe I will outgrow or at least comfortably "master" these tapes much more quickly than happens for me with Cathe's stuff. I don't say that to be boastful, you guys -- I am at best a high intermediate exerciser and I could never keep up with, say, Aquajock or Wanda or so many of you, on weights OR on cardio capacity. But since I'm notches below many of you on the fitness food chain, I think I'm a pretty fair example of Tracie's target audience, and these videos, IMHO, aren't going to keep her target audience truly challenged for very long. I may also get bored with these tapes or annoyed by the production values, and that NEVER happens with Cathe.

I did preorder Tracie's new "Core Cardio" tape, the one she's filming aboard the USS Yorktown, and I'm looking forward to trying it. My expectation is that it won't be a true cardio workout in the same way Cathe's are, but that it will be well-cued, will have new and interesting moves in it like these three do, and will be a fun addition to my "intermediate" library, at least for a while. I hope Tracie irons out some of the production issues before releasing that one!

Let me know what you think, folks, if you get these. :)

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/sport/sport-smiley-003.gif Kathy S. http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/spezial/spudniks/spudniklifter.gif
 
RE: First Impressions of the TLP Videos

Just wait till you do ds it is almost aerobic like intervels.It isn't straight cardio for 40 min but it is cardio at least that's what I use it for.I love this one and the core work is different and fun.I just think this whole tape is fun.And love the look of core cardio this one will be bought:D I am thinking about funcional fitness can anyone give a run down of it.
 
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All I want to know is HOW did you get onto the message boards at the JustV site????? I can't register!! I keep getting some weird error message. I finally emailed Stephanie, and she just emailed back today saying she'd forward it to either Tracie or Steve (their webmaster ... I guess). Any suggestions??

Thanks for the review, Kathy! I only previewed them, and I didn't notice the glitches, but to be fair, I ordered VHS, so maybe the DVD's are different. I plan to use them for "in-between Cathe weight training days", and they sound perfect for that purpose. NO ONE can match Cathe on strength training!! But since I need a break from Step Blast and Imax2 at times ... (I KNOW!! Dare I even write this??? LOL!!), I need other tapes that provide something "different" than strictly cardio work. I get (here comes a "bad" word again - LOL!!) bored with cardio, so I need to mix things up more. I know I need to work on my core more, and I'll be using my 8 pound medicine ball for sure on Tracie's tapes after reading the reviews on here. Looks like I could easily sub a dumbell too, when that weight is no longer challenging. Thanks again!!

Carol
:)
 
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Hie dee ho Kathy,
On that 8 pounder, I put that down in a hurry! Yikes!! I'm very weak in those multiplanar moves. I went down to my wittle ole 3# ball. LOL Like you, I see some new moves and ways to use the stability ball and med ball. I didn't work up a sweat with these workouts, like in our Cathe, only when I had to keep repeating some of those ball moves did I get the papertowels out. But I wasn't using the heavier weights either.

Question: Could you do the move where you bend on the floor behind the ball, the grap the ball with your ankles, get in a plank position and then rock back and forth? And those side planks with full arm extension..I need work on that. Whew!! And I've been using 2# ankle wts on PLB. I either must not have the positioning right, or there is a weak spot in my thigh muscles or somewhere, because I couldn't hold that ball and roll. I had to stay on my knees.
Yet aerobic wise, I didn't get the ole heart rate up as high as Cathe. Like you, I see a need for this type of workout. As far as outgrowing these 3, I'm curious as to what the next two are like. Could they be harder? At the moment I find the core work as shown by the advanced way, challenging. But I think they are meant to get used to them and then move on to the next level. ???I guess we will know around the end of this month when Tracie's 2 will be released. ???

But a heads up.....Tracie is going to produce 3 more workout sceduled for April... They will star Jen, Tracie and ta dah.....Susan.:)
Gus just announced that in the Ask the Instuctor forum.

ps Kathy, you are one of my heroes on this board. :)
 
RE: Registering at 'V'

Whoa Carol,
I tried for 2 days to get registered. Grrr. Don't know if this will help your problem or not, but mine had to do with the homepage question. Since I don't have my own website, I kept leaving that blank. I kept getting an error message that my screen was the wrong size or something like that.
So I wrote in my start up page on the internet and then it worked just fine. ???

The question about referrals, I didn't have a referral because I just heard about the site from Video Fitness while I was rummaging around there. So I left that blank. I didn't mess with any of the options at this time. I figured I could fine tune it later. I also clicked off my antivirus program when I registerd. I knew from previous experience on fitprime site, I could never have my antivirus on if I wanted to be on the board.
Don't know if Tracie's site is sensitive to antivirus' as I run my program while I'm there as well. ??

Hope this helps a little and hope you get registered right away. :)
 
RE: Hi Kathryn!

>I spell my "Kathryn" the same way, BTW :) -- did you know
>that "our" two-syllable spelling is Irish and the
>three-syllable version is English in origin? Today's trivia
>lesson.
>

I didn't know that! But there must be other origins of it as well, since I'm named after a Czech (or Bohemian) aunt of my fathers. I did know that the name is supposed to mean "purity" or something like that.
 
RE: Registering at 'V'

Thanks for the suggestions Wanda! Tracie emailed me last night while I was at work, and is trying to figure out why I can't get in.

Carol
:)
 
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Congratulations for getting registered at 'V'. I just popped in over there and saw your name on top. :)
Have fun surfing the threads. BTW, although you might have to do a search now, but there is a thread about why we shouldn't be doing plies. ? They suggest doing side lunges instead. Interesting read.
 
WANDA!

Oh honey, you have made my day -- HERO?? I don't know what I could ever have done to deserve that ranking, but whatever it is I hope I keep doing it. :) Thank you SO much for such a lovely compliment! And right back atcha too, Wanda -- I have long been in awe of your workout schedule. When you post a rotation my jaw always drops. I'm sure that I couldn't keep up with you (and we'll find that out someday at a Cathe road trip, won't we? :))

Those plank ball-rocking thingies you described were not easy, and to be honest if Cathe did them in her usual two sets of 16 I'd be toast. I did finish them and they were one of the tougher and more interesting moves. Those side planks with full arm extension "get right in there" too (gee, who says THAT phrase?? :) I didn't mean to suggest from my review that these tapes are a cinch, and these two moves illustrate that very well. It's just that I felt, as you did, that I didn't get my heartrate up and I wasn't pushed to anywhere near failure on anything. For me to complete a whole tape the first time through with pretty good form means that there's not a huge amount of room for me to grow, and that's my biggest disappointment with these tapes. The production values aren't great, as I said, but that doesn't really bug me -- if I like the workout itself it can transcend a "B" in production values.

It's encouraging to hear that Tracie's doing three more -- I can't imagine that Susan's won't kick butt, you know? :)

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/sport/sport-smiley-003.gif Kathy S. http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/spezial/spudniks/spudniklifter.gif
 
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>Question: Could you do the move where you bend on the floor
>behind the ball, the grap the ball with your ankles, get in a
>plank position and then rock back and forth?

I can't even get myself into position, let alone rock! Guess my core is wimpier than I thought, or it just was tuckered out by the time I got to this move!
 
Wanda,
I just did Core Foundations yesterday. A rather humbling experience! Especially when I tried the move where you grab the stability ball between your feet, then get into plank move and rock from side to side. I basically got to the first part (grab the ball), and couldn't do the rest!

I'm thinking of using this 3x/week for two weeks to see what happens (or if I can ever do all the moves!). I just wonder how to incorporate it with regular resistance work (which I don't want to give up). Today my shoulders feel rather worked (probably from the push-up and plank moves), and my core feel a bit "tight" rather than the regular DOMS type soreness.
 
Kathy, your review of the TLP DVD's very eloquently expressed why it takes SNM "longer" to get Cathe's DVD's out.....A++ production quality. I pre-ordered Tracie's new DVD's because I have always liked Tracie as an instructor, but I have not ordered the first 3 of JAC/Bonnie/Cindy. The reviews of the workouts themselves seem positive, but I have read SO MANY comments on the poor production quality it makes me not want to rush to buy these since the DVD's are relatively pricey - and I'm not normally a "production" person. I have been wondering for a while HOW Tracie films and distributes DVD's so quickly since I'm used to the wait for Cathe's, but I guess there really is no magic to slapping something together to get it out quickly. TLP's customers must appreciate the speed, but I personally would prefer to wait until the product is truly ready for distribution. I have a new appreciation for all the work that Cathe and SNM do to deliver the best workout DVD's on the market. I know TLP is new and I want Tracie to be successful, so hopefully they'll get these producion issues ironed out for the next round of videos.
 
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Hi Kathryn, I tried to do the illusive move again this morning! I don't see how they get from point A to point B. :p But I stopped the tape, got on the ball like we do for Cathe's pikes, then I grabbed the ball tight with my shins and those tick tocks were pretty easy and fun. The getting on the ball the way JAC does is to me, the hard part. }(

How do you like doing the mop routine? ;-)
 
RE: Registering at 'V'

I'm in!! I don't know how she did it, but Tracie got me in! My user name is the same as on here. See you all on there!!

Carol
:)
 
RE: WANDA!

Hi Kathy, I'm tempted to get out my old Vol 1 and see if I get NOW get that dreadful floorwork done ALL the way through with ankle weights. There is one move though, that alway hurt my left hip. I think it was when you are down on all fours, then you side kick a bent knee, then immediately twist down and do leg extensions. I heard from somewhere that this is a dangerous move. Have you heard anything this move or others in this workout that have injured people?
This workout out is voted as one of the best if not The best of the Firm.
I think I will have a go at it and use those 15 pounders like Susan uses in the workout. Why be scared? I've been doing Cathe workouts for almost 3 years! LOL
 
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>How do you like doing the mop routine? ;-)


I really like it, even though I didn't quite get in sync with the "bow forward" part of the move (which will improve upon repeated use!) Since I don't have any paper plates around (and though they would wear down the finish on my wooden floor), I used a microfiber cleaning cloth, which worked really well (and dusted part of my floor at the same time!).
 
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Hey Kathryn, if you do the exercise in different parts of the room each time, you could dust the entire floor! ;-) That's what Cathe calls multi-tasking, right? :7
 
Hey everyone! I did Dynamic Strength this morning, and it's deceptively challenging! She does TUCK JUMPS!! LOL!! I was SO happy!! LOL!! There is a LOT of core involved. I used an 8 pound med ball and except for the VERY challenging Pilates-type ab work, I was able to use that ball all the way through. I used 8 pound dumbells, and I won't be going heavier because on some of the moves she's going way too fast to be holding heavy weights. Potential injury time! It reminds me of a scaled-down Boot Camp, but without the winded cardio segments and intensity, of course! But what I'm saying is it has a circuit type feel to it. It's only about 43 minutes long from start to finish, but I liked it a lot!!

The set is a bit dark, and a couple of times the camera was not on Cindy so I wasn't sure what she was doing. The other exercisers use some questionable form in parts, but it's not distracting enough to really bother me. The music is so-so, but we're all just VERY spoiled by Cathe!! LOL!! I like Cindy's style of teaching. She reminds of Heidi Tanner of the original Firm tapes. Her cueing is fine, and she uses plenty of form pointers throughtout. She's not as polished as Cathe but then ... who is? LOL!!

I'll use this one when I do things like Legs&Glutes, Supersets and Push Pull, because all three of those - while I do love them - are simply not long or difficult enough for me to do on their own, unless I need a lighter day.

I'll be doing Functional Strength on Monday, so I'll let you all know what I think of it.

I also did the tricep part today of Slow & Heavy/Triceps and Biceps, and I think I'll do the bicep part on Monday, along with Funtional Strength. It's nice to have workouts like this that I can combine parts of to mix things up a bit. I've been in a combo/circuit training kind of mode lately!!

Carol
:)
aka Tuck Jump Princess :D
 
Today I did Functional Strength and Power with Bonnie Geer, and found it surprisingly difficult!! Some of the work on the stability was difficult for me, and I thought I had conquered that "unstability" ball - LOL!! It was nice to find a workout where I'm challenged yet again on that thing!! The cardio portions were nothing like Cathe's, but they were all right. Again, the set needs brightening, the camera needs to stay on the lead when she's teaching a new move, and the music is so-so. But overall, I enjoyed it. I didn't like it as much as Dynamic Strength, but I'm sure I'll use it again. Have to master that ball ... you know ...LOL!!

Carol
:)

By the way, I was reading on the JustV site that they are making camera changes for the three new workouts coming out, so they are listening, which is always nice to read!! Tracie seems much more "relaxed" on there than she ever did on the FitPrime site. I think breaking away on her own and away from Anna was a very positive thing in her life.

:D
 
Now if I could just graduate from MT school, get a job in order to pay for all these new DVD's that are going to be released this year! }( :9 ;-) See all my mixed emotions? I think I'm going insane. LOL

I'm going to need all of you to help me cram for my test so I won't miss out on all these workouts. ;-)

Ah, but all these workouts are fun, aren't they? }(
 

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