Until we actually have the workouts in hand, it's really hard to say if 3 lbs. is going to be too light for beginners. If these workouts are light weight, high rep non stop workouts (like a SS workout) then I have a feeling that these workouts are going to be challenging with the lower weights, but in a different way from Cathe's normal strength workouts.
This is bothering me
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Cathe Friedrich
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Hi Wayne X! I hope I'm not repeating what others may have mentioned here since I have not had a chance to read any of the responses.
I have to respectfully disagree with you
3 pounds is a lot of weight for most shoulder exercises as well as for other small muscle group exercises such as kickbacks (even for advanced exercisers). A beginner doing kickbacks or rear delt flys with a 3 pound dumbell is the equivalent of an advanced exerciser using about 8 pounds for this exercise.
In addition to that I used the 3 pound weights along with squats or lunges while doing these shoulder exercises (in many cases)to make the three pound even more challenging. Other times I encourage stronger viewers to double up their three pounds if they feel they can. Also, during the separate 20 minute toning segments, we have implememted the use of a resistance tube (which in many cases is even HARDER to do than the three pound weights) to offer a challenge for the more advanced exerciser as well as an upgrade for those who are not there yet but can see what their next challenge will be.
I will even admit that I had to rewrite the script for the squats and overhead press after realizing in the first rehearsal my arms were fried and even I could not do this exercise without considerable "sting".
I realize you made your comments based on the fact that you had not viewed the workout yet, but even so, 3 pounds should not be viewed as insignificant weight. Instead look at the positive side and really be proud of all that you have accomplished and how far you have come in your weight training and fitness program that you can't even remember the days when three pounds were a challenge. Isn't that an uplifting thought? Thanks for sharing your thoughts Wayne
I have to respectfully disagree with you
3 pounds is a lot of weight for most shoulder exercises as well as for other small muscle group exercises such as kickbacks (even for advanced exercisers). A beginner doing kickbacks or rear delt flys with a 3 pound dumbell is the equivalent of an advanced exerciser using about 8 pounds for this exercise.In addition to that I used the 3 pound weights along with squats or lunges while doing these shoulder exercises (in many cases)to make the three pound even more challenging. Other times I encourage stronger viewers to double up their three pounds if they feel they can. Also, during the separate 20 minute toning segments, we have implememted the use of a resistance tube (which in many cases is even HARDER to do than the three pound weights) to offer a challenge for the more advanced exerciser as well as an upgrade for those who are not there yet but can see what their next challenge will be.
I will even admit that I had to rewrite the script for the squats and overhead press after realizing in the first rehearsal my arms were fried and even I could not do this exercise without considerable "sting".
I realize you made your comments based on the fact that you had not viewed the workout yet, but even so, 3 pounds should not be viewed as insignificant weight. Instead look at the positive side and really be proud of all that you have accomplished and how far you have come in your weight training and fitness program that you can't even remember the days when three pounds were a challenge. Isn't that an uplifting thought? Thanks for sharing your thoughts Wayne
icklemoley
Cathlete
Cathe, Clare and Ladies. I again, i didn't mean to offend. That was not the idea of this topic. I'm sure three pounds can seem very heavy on certain exercises, i'm not doubting that. It looks like i worded my original message badly and i appologise for that. Cathe, and anyone else that took offense, none was intended. And yes, years back while i was doing karen voight, 3lbs did seem like a lot of weight, guess after years of cathe, and increasing the weights nicely i forget how far i'd come.
Clare, as always ... i thank you. Big MWA!!! x
Clare, as always ... i thank you. Big MWA!!! x
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trevor
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Wayne....
you don't have to apologize for having a thought or concern over the videos. Your original post was fine, except for perhaps the wordsmiths who like to dissect every word you put down. The general gist of what your concerns are was perfectly clear.
Cathe stated her side of it, the only one that matters anyway, since she is the pro and knows what she was trying to accomplish with the workouts.
I'd put these types of posts in the "Ask Cathe" section myself where you won't need to worry about apologizing 18 times for having an opinion and achieving "gentleman" status by allowing yourself to be "corrected" at every turn. That's called being run over my man! LOL! I don't see anything you said in here as having to have been "corrected". To say that is to assume you were wrong about some fact. In truth, you had a legitimate concern and it was addressed by Cathe, who is an absolute sweetheart for taking her precious time to answer her fans' questions. I'd venture to say she's just a tad more knowledgeable than pretty much everyone in here.
Next topic.
Stick to your guns guy!!
T.
you don't have to apologize for having a thought or concern over the videos. Your original post was fine, except for perhaps the wordsmiths who like to dissect every word you put down. The general gist of what your concerns are was perfectly clear.
Cathe stated her side of it, the only one that matters anyway, since she is the pro and knows what she was trying to accomplish with the workouts.
I'd put these types of posts in the "Ask Cathe" section myself where you won't need to worry about apologizing 18 times for having an opinion and achieving "gentleman" status by allowing yourself to be "corrected" at every turn. That's called being run over my man! LOL! I don't see anything you said in here as having to have been "corrected". To say that is to assume you were wrong about some fact. In truth, you had a legitimate concern and it was addressed by Cathe, who is an absolute sweetheart for taking her precious time to answer her fans' questions. I'd venture to say she's just a tad more knowledgeable than pretty much everyone in here.
Next topic.
Stick to your guns guy!!
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Carol_is_fit
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Pardon me for adding yet one more post to this, but I don't understand how groveling and begging forgiveness merely for stating your opinions and concerns makes you a "gentleman". I looked it up in the dictionary. It didn't say that. Maybe I'm using the wrong one? Or maybe I just feel that no one should ever have to apologize for stating their OPINIONS. There is no "correction" necessary when you state your OPINIONS, and anyone who feels there is needs to go look up the word "correction" as well. Saying you accepted correction implies you did something that needed righting. You did not. You stated an OPINION, to which you are as entitled as anyone on here. Even those who feel they have the right to step onto a public message board and "correct" others. NOT. I agree with Trevor, Wayne. You have nothing to apologize for. You stated an opinion, others jumped in with their take, and our beloved Cathe herself added her take on it. So what? That doesn't mean you have to apologize to anyone. It's your OPINION. You are entitled to it. If certain individuals on here can't handle an opinion that differs from their own, that's their problem. NOT yours.
Carol
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trevor
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Well said my dear!!!
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icklemoley
Cathlete
I had my original opinion yesterday, and after feedback and contemplation I had to agree with most of what others said. Isn’t that the idea of feedback? To gain insight. Well, I made my point, got feed back, realised that I actually agree with what was said, and … changed my point of view. If I hadn’t agreed I would of stuck to my guns, those of you who’ve read my posts will know this.
I don’t come into this forum to cause trouble or rage debate. I come here to interact with my cyber mates and gain information and hopefully give some.
I have no need to look in a dictionary regarding the word gentleman. I think, in my opinion, this was a gentleman response.
I don’t come into this forum to cause trouble or rage debate. I come here to interact with my cyber mates and gain information and hopefully give some.
I have no need to look in a dictionary regarding the word gentleman. I think, in my opinion, this was a gentleman response.
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Carol_is_fit
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If you gained insight from the feedback you received, that's cool. My beef is with the idea put forth that you needed correcting, as though you were a toddler who put his hand on a hot stove or something. You did not. And just so you know, my suggestion to look up the word in the dictionary wasn't directed at you, although I can see why you interpreted it that way. I'm sitting on my hands here so as not to be accused of flaming. But my point here is that you did nothing "wrong" in stating your opinion, and you shouldn't be commended for your gracious reception of correction, ONLY bcause the correction itself is sanctimonious and not necessary ... again ... because you did nothing WRONG. I'm so tired of the double standard on here. People will come on here one week and rant about how everyone is entitled to speak their mind, and express their opinions (for example - and this example is in no way intended to point the finger at any one individual in particular ... just so you all know - the locked thread debate last week!!), and then a week later they come on here and blast someone else for doing that very same thing!! Expressing their OPINIONS!! DUH. The really amazing thing is no one calls them on it. DOUBLE DUH.
Anyway ... I've made my point and I'll shut up now. But I'm glad you gained insight from the feedback you received. And I know you don't need a dictionary. But please don't feel you have no right to express a differing opinion. You do. We EACH do.
I'm done now.
Carol
Anyway ... I've made my point and I'll shut up now. But I'm glad you gained insight from the feedback you received. And I know you don't need a dictionary. But please don't feel you have no right to express a differing opinion. You do. We EACH do.
I'm done now.
Carol
Carol and everyone:
Wayne never grovelled, nor did he beg. He never does either of these things,nor does he have to. And why do you think I put "correction" in commas? The irony of the word and it's application in this case is already implicit. Neither does Wayne have to achieve gentleman "status". He already is one. My compliment praised his graciousness. He knew enough on his own not to get hot under the collar about how others received his words. He already knows how to, and practices, standing up for himself. He is very "gentle" as he does it.
What do you guys have against a man being a gentleman? Pleeze! Wayne recognized a compliment when he saw one.
Could we not make every spot of contention on these boards into a huge thing?
Clare
Wayne never grovelled, nor did he beg. He never does either of these things,nor does he have to. And why do you think I put "correction" in commas? The irony of the word and it's application in this case is already implicit. Neither does Wayne have to achieve gentleman "status". He already is one. My compliment praised his graciousness. He knew enough on his own not to get hot under the collar about how others received his words. He already knows how to, and practices, standing up for himself. He is very "gentle" as he does it.
What do you guys have against a man being a gentleman? Pleeze! Wayne recognized a compliment when he saw one.
Could we not make every spot of contention on these boards into a huge thing?
Clare
Carol:
I did not say that Wayne needed "correcting", which is why the word was put in commas. Perhaps "irony" is the word which actually needs to be looked up in the dictionary?
Wayne got it and gets it. He's a big boy now, he can tie his own sandals and everything.
And for the record: Wayne IS to be commended for his graciousness. He practices grace when he accepts the opinion of others and accepts that perhaps his original stand needs reappraisal. This is what he did. It is an attitude conducive to the dissipation of flame wars and it is exactly what is needed around here. If people practiced grace generally in their treatment of others on these boards, we would not have to have "locked threads." I rather think this is becoming a case in point.
Pease don't ever again accuse me of sanctimoniousness.
Now that IS offensive.
Clare
I did not say that Wayne needed "correcting", which is why the word was put in commas. Perhaps "irony" is the word which actually needs to be looked up in the dictionary?
Wayne got it and gets it. He's a big boy now, he can tie his own sandals and everything.
And for the record: Wayne IS to be commended for his graciousness. He practices grace when he accepts the opinion of others and accepts that perhaps his original stand needs reappraisal. This is what he did. It is an attitude conducive to the dissipation of flame wars and it is exactly what is needed around here. If people practiced grace generally in their treatment of others on these boards, we would not have to have "locked threads." I rather think this is becoming a case in point.
Pease don't ever again accuse me of sanctimoniousness.
Now that IS offensive.
Clare
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trevor
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End the thread already!!!
The point is this:
The word "correction" demeans his original opinion. There was no "correction" to be made. Why you used it is beyond me quite frankly. It's a subtle putdown to be honest and is lost on Wayne.
End the thread already. Like I said, Cathe's opinion is all that matters regarding the motives and actions of her videos.
This belongs in the "Ask Cathe" area, to be answered ONLY by Cathe!
T.
The point is this:
The word "correction" demeans his original opinion. There was no "correction" to be made. Why you used it is beyond me quite frankly. It's a subtle putdown to be honest and is lost on Wayne.
End the thread already. Like I said, Cathe's opinion is all that matters regarding the motives and actions of her videos.
This belongs in the "Ask Cathe" area, to be answered ONLY by Cathe!
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icklemoley
Cathlete
RE: End the thread already!!!
Clare, you said everything I wanted to say and with more gusto than I could possible have. I thank you.
I am getting tired of people chipping into threads who really have very little to contribute other than to provoke a reaction. Why bother? Lost on Wayne??? Hardly... but cheers for that.
Clare, you said everything I wanted to say and with more gusto than I could possible have. I thank you.
I am getting tired of people chipping into threads who really have very little to contribute other than to provoke a reaction. Why bother? Lost on Wayne??? Hardly... but cheers for that.
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trevor
Guest
RE: End the thread already!!!
Wayne,
You backpedal and apologize more than anyone I have ever seen. How many times are you going to apologize in a thread boy?
So, I tried to point out to you to stand your ground a little and awaken you to the fact that Clare had basically offended you with the "correction" statement. This type of stuff has been a hot topic of conversation for quite awhile in another Cathe related fitness group of which I am a member. People in here are also members of that group too so we see it and discuss it.
I try to help you and this gets turned around so I am on the defensive. Which I want no part of anymore. So, good luck, ok? LOL! I really don't know why I waste my energy......
Finally, this REALLY should have been an "Ask Cathe" post.
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Wayne,
You backpedal and apologize more than anyone I have ever seen. How many times are you going to apologize in a thread boy?
So, I tried to point out to you to stand your ground a little and awaken you to the fact that Clare had basically offended you with the "correction" statement. This type of stuff has been a hot topic of conversation for quite awhile in another Cathe related fitness group of which I am a member. People in here are also members of that group too so we see it and discuss it.
I try to help you and this gets turned around so I am on the defensive. Which I want no part of anymore. So, good luck, ok? LOL! I really don't know why I waste my energy......
Finally, this REALLY should have been an "Ask Cathe" post.
T.