Stubborn, bullheaded, unhealthy father! (very long)

spyrosmom

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I'm looking to rant and for advice.

My dad is 64, will be 65 in Jan. He's as stubborn, temperamental, bull headed, always right as the rest of us in the family!!! ARGGGGHHHH!!!!! Why couldn't he be normal?:p

Anyway, he's got a long history of health problems, appendix before I was born, gallbladder when I was a young kid - barely remember, 1st heart attack when I was in 3rd or 4th grade, 2 more (same day) when I was a freshman in college, a diagnosis of diabetes at the same time, and a leg anuersym when I was in high school that almost cost him his foot. I'm 32 now, so obviously this has been some time all this has been going on. His father had COPD and emphysema, his mom had diabetes and some sort of cancer - they passed away when I was 5 or so - I really don't remember them. What I do remember is both of them smoking like chimneys.

My dad smoked when I was a kid, and quit when he had his 1st heart attack. My mom probably would have killed him if he didn't. My mom passed on 1997, and my dad remarried a few years later, to a woman who smokes. She smokes in the house, and he has been smoking nasty cigars like crazy for some time now. She claims to be concerned about his health but if she was, she wouldn't do that. Here nor there, she's not a bad woman, but she rubs me the wrong way sometimes.

I honestly think my dad's been depressed since my mom passed. He puts up a good front, but he's not the same. He lost his job maybe a year or so after that (a place he's been like 10 yrs in upper management) and hasn't held a long term steady job since. I think he had one job for maybe a year and another for 6 months. I can tell by looking at him he's not happy and not healthy, and he seems to be going downhill fast lately. Every time I hear the phone ring, I think it's someone calling to tell me he's dead or in the hospital, or if he doesn't return a call quickly, I think something is wrong.

This is a copy of an email his wife sent to me, my brothers, and my aunt today.
I went with J to his doc appointment yesterday. This is the appointment he was supposed to have made back in May. I've been nagging since then for him to get this appointment which he finally did.

J's blood sugar was over 400. His blood pressure was 158/80 His blood density was very high. He's down to 165 lbs. J took himself off all his meds 8 months ago, claiming they were too expensive. Any time I asked about his meds or his blood sugar test results, he snarled and bit my head off verbally. In the doc's office, he said he didn't want me to be upset about his choices.

His doc told him he had to get back on his meds or he was facing death soon. The doc told J he'd be glad to work with him on med costs and costs of appointments. J will be elegible for Medicare in late January; at that time, all of the tests and all his diabetic meds will be covered.

I'd asked all of you in the past to help do an intervention with J. I am asking for that again. Unless and until we ALL consistently keep on him to address his diabetes, he's looking at imminant demise -- and that's coming from the doc, not me.

I also told the doc about Js ADHD; the doc suggested that it might be tied to sleep apnea, which I confirmed symptoms. When the doc stepped out to get sample meds, J went ballistic on me, claiming he wanted his privacy about his medical conditions. The doc got to overhear quite a bit of that rant, and countered that J needed a good support base amongst family and friends to deal with all of his dire physical conditions.

This is what my aunt responded, and I agree with her.

I don't have a good answer. I think the way R nags him just makes it less likely for him to take her seriously. She pulled this same stunt last yr just before Thanksgiving. I agree and have thought for a long time the J is depressed and it has never been address. I doubt if he would address it as when he was growing up being "crazy" had a terrible stigma attached to it. Also men were required to be stoic and hold everything in. They were suppose to just deal with it. He will be 65 in Jan. That is how old my dad was when he died. He was 65 in Dec 84 and died July 85. I know my dad went thru a bad period when he was 57. He had an idea in his head that he would die at that age because his father died at 57. There wasn't anything that could convice him it didn't have to be and he did live for 8 more yrs.

What R says about medicare is true and he will be coverd in Jan. However, even if all his testing supplies and meds are covered it won't make much difference until he feels better about himself. I know he blusters a lot but he is not self confident and never has been.

As I said, I don't have the answers but will give it a lot of thought.

I know this is very long, but I really don't know what to do. It's like my dad is slowing committing suicide. Talking to him is like talking to a brick wall, at least if the brick wall yells and throws things when it's mad. Anybody else been in a similar situation with a stubborn, sick parent? If he dies, I'm gonna bring him back and kill him again! DS only has 2 grandparents left, my father and my FIL, who's a jerk. We're a little short on grandparents around here, and 64 is NOT old.

Nan
 
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64 is not old but if your father is depressed then he is thinking that life sucks and his kids are grown and there is nothing left for him. So he is technically taking himself out of life.

Nagging him is not going to change the situation. What will change it is showing him that life is worth living. Be happy, do fun things around him, drag him to something fun and just let him observe (don't force him to participate). Show him a reason to live.

Don't lecture, don't scheme, all those things will just backfire. And in the end if he chooses to be done with life - it's his decision. Let him have his peace. (sorry)
 
Nan, I know what you're going through. My dad just passed away May of this year. He was only 66. He had smoked since he was 14 years old. He had multiple heart attacks, and a triple bypass done. Nothing would stop him from smoking/drinking. He did stop smoking for a little bit after his 1st heart attack, but that didn't last for long. He always said he wanted to live his life the way he wanted to, and that heart problems weren't going to stop him. I do think my dad was depressed too, but he would never admit it.

He died unexpectedly (and by that I mean he wasn't having any unusual problems that were out of the ordinary for him). We found him 8 hrs after he had died in his car sitting in front of a convenient store.

I'm sorry I don't have any advice for you, but I do know what you're going through. It's hard to watch your loved ones self destruct in front of your eyes.

Your aunt's right. Men of that age, I think, are to proud to ask for help or see it as a sign of weakness. All you can do is be there for him.
 
Nan,

I'm sorry that this is happening. I don't think that you can do anything about it. I know that its no fun watching a loved one mistreat themselves, but he won't do something that he is being forced into. Have you tried making little challenges? Like I bet you can't beat me to the mailbox? If he is indeed depressed, trying to get him to do things will just make you crazy. Have you considered this, try calling him once a week and telling him that you are concerned about his health and that you value him as a person and would be terribly sad if you had called and he was in a coma, had cancer or worse had passed away. Tell him that it would do you a big favor if he chose to live. Its true that grief sucks, but there is more in his life than your mother. (I'm sorry for your loss btw.) And even though you don't anticipate him changing, by making that phone call once a week, you have done what you should have done, made it abundantly clear that he had been valued and that you cared and in a way that does take the burden off of you. The truth is you can't force anybody to take care of themselves, see a doctor or eat a healthy diet. The sad part is that most of us would feel better if we did that, but for some reason we feel compelled to do that which causes us more pain (eating carbs/lying around/avoiding healthcare.)
 
This kind of stubbornness runs in my family. My maternal grandmother in Germany stubbornly refused to see a doctor for years, and by the time my dad and my aunt flew over to stage an intervention (they brought a doctor to the house against her will), the damage had been done, and Oma only lived a couple more years. She passed at age 67. Had she taken care of the issue sooner, she would have undoubtedly lived longer.

For most of my life, my mom and dad were no better...generally quite healthy but also stoic sufferers with an insane work ethic. The only way they'd seek medical care was if they had to be carried out on stretchers. Both of them, though, within the past 10 years or so, have had significant health scares that, fortunately, cured them of this. Now they do go for their regular checkups, and my dad more so than my mom, has made very positive changes in his health & fitness.

If they hadn't come that close to death, I don't know that either of them would be so good about it. Prior to that, my sister and I would remind, hound, argue, etc., and it just didn't work. So I'd have to agree with others not to take that route.

Could you invite him to walk once a week? It'd be a chance for the two of you to spend time together doing something healthy. Depending on how resistant you think he might be, I might even try to sell it just as father-daughter time or a chance to enjoy the outdoors more, as in, something YOU want to do in which you'd enjoy his company. If that works, once you establish a routine and he's bought in, then perhaps you could start (carefully) introducing your concerns about his health. Just a thought.

By the way, I hope you don't mind me saying this, but I find it a bit hypocritical for his wife to say that "unless and until we ALL consistently keep on him" while she continues to smoke in the house. She is part of the problem and needs to change, too, if she wants to help him. I think I would say something to her as well.

Good luck, Nan! I hope you can get through to both of them.

And Jenny, I'm sorry for your recent loss. :(
 

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