Question please on MRT
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gogigi
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I'm also not convinced that the people who claim so much knowledge have CLX figured out in a nut shell either. I personally belive there are too many types of training programs that may not exclusively fit into one description (how non-scientific is that?). I also think that until one has completed a program, it's presumtuous to start an entire thread telling people exactly what it is.
This is what I've experienced so far with CLX: I'm excited about working out again and it's UNIQUE. I lift as heavy as I do with Cathe (maybe a little lighter by 5 or 10 pounds for lower body), sweat bullets, feel completely worked, done in under an hour, have time and options to fit in extra cardio if desired but don't feel like it's necessary, can't wait to move on to the other phases! I know I will have so much more to say once I've completed the rotation. I've decided I can't get too bogged down in MRT, AWT, strength, muscle building, etc. It makes for interesting reading but I've decided to just hit play and see if it works for me. I remember when I first started Cathe workouts, I could never decide on a rotation and then when I got a 5 disc DVD player and started trying to create my own combinations, it was overwhelming!!!
This is what I've experienced so far with CLX: I'm excited about working out again and it's UNIQUE. I lift as heavy as I do with Cathe (maybe a little lighter by 5 or 10 pounds for lower body), sweat bullets, feel completely worked, done in under an hour, have time and options to fit in extra cardio if desired but don't feel like it's necessary, can't wait to move on to the other phases! I know I will have so much more to say once I've completed the rotation. I've decided I can't get too bogged down in MRT, AWT, strength, muscle building, etc. It makes for interesting reading but I've decided to just hit play and see if it works for me. I remember when I first started Cathe workouts, I could never decide on a rotation and then when I got a 5 disc DVD player and started trying to create my own combinations, it was overwhelming!!!
fit44
Cathlete
I can't get my head around comparing CLX to Jari Love- or putting them in the same category. 
Actually, one of the articles posted fits very close to CLX. I can't remember where I read it, but it was rumored that Chalene consulted with Alwyn Cosgrove for CLX.
Here is Alwyn's article:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...raining_performance/the_hierarchy_of_fat_loss
His recommended rep range for MRT fits with CLX (not Jari Love)
Here is the quoted rep range from the article:
In my experience, full body training in a superset, tri-set, or circuit format (with non-competing exercises) in a rep range that generates lactic acid (and pushes the lactic acid threshold or LAT) seems to create the biggest metabolic demand. It makes sense: training legs, back, and chest will burn more calories and elevate metabolism more than an isolated approach training one of them.
The rep range that seems to work best is the 8-12 hypertrophy range, although going higher will work just as well with a less trained population.
Actually, one of the articles posted fits very close to CLX. I can't remember where I read it, but it was rumored that Chalene consulted with Alwyn Cosgrove for CLX.
Here is Alwyn's article:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...raining_performance/the_hierarchy_of_fat_loss
His recommended rep range for MRT fits with CLX (not Jari Love)
Here is the quoted rep range from the article:
In my experience, full body training in a superset, tri-set, or circuit format (with non-competing exercises) in a rep range that generates lactic acid (and pushes the lactic acid threshold or LAT) seems to create the biggest metabolic demand. It makes sense: training legs, back, and chest will burn more calories and elevate metabolism more than an isolated approach training one of them.
The rep range that seems to work best is the 8-12 hypertrophy range, although going higher will work just as well with a less trained population.
RunninTeach
Cathlete
This is EXACTLY how I feel about CLX!
Re: the OP's question, I remember hearing from some Catheites that they really liked Alwyn's Afterburn program and Turbulence Training.
Not sure how many folks saw this, but it really is a great counterpoint to all the analysis paralysis that I do myself. I see others also whipsawed about what program is best for X,Y or Z due to arguments posted by "experts in the field".
This was posted by SueB at VF and here's the link to Alwyn's blog entry saying, less speculation and more action = better results faster. In other words, just do it and stop weighing alternatives!
http://alwyncosgrove.blogspot.com/2008/12/take-action.html
This was posted by SueB at VF and here's the link to Alwyn's blog entry saying, less speculation and more action = better results faster. In other words, just do it and stop weighing alternatives!
http://alwyncosgrove.blogspot.com/2008/12/take-action.html
fit44
Cathlete
I saw that and agree.
Nothing is going to stop me from completing CLX.
I think it is a fantastic program and am thrilled with my purchase. It will go well with STS so it's not an either- or for me. I will benefit from both.What bothers me is that is almost seems like some are trying to trash the program.
I've done months and months of Jari Love type workouts. I have a problem with the comparison for those who are trying to weigh in on whether they should purchase the CLX program.
I saw that and agree.
Nothing is going to stop me from completing CLX.
What bothers me is that is almost seems like some are trying to trash the program.
I've done months and months of Jari Love type workouts. I have a problem with the comparison for those who are trying to weigh in on whether they should purchase the CLX program.
Yeah, I'm just not seeing how she's 'clarifying' for anyone. To me, it's like stirring up mud & making everything cloudier.
The heavy weights & slow pace are what really work my muscles in CLX. Dozens of reps w/ lighter weights would not engage my muscles in the same fashion because I don't think I'd really reach failure. (How do you estimate that you're going to reach failure between 68 -72 reps??) With limited reps, you can do this much more accurately.
intensityjunkie
Cathlete
I read the thread on VF and was a bit confused. I don't like to get too complicated. I'm the type that just alternates weight days and cardio and keeps it at that. I like to rotate the types of w/o's I do for variety but I don't get into detailed planning. I am glad actually that it isn't too much like STS since I'll have both. I'm wondering though if they consider CLX to be more of a cardio workout does it still count for my weight day? ha. or do I need a different weight w/o in between ? assuming not. I just don't want to loose any muscle atleast.
I think everyone always considered heavy lifting as building muscle. I also remember when CLX was just a rumor people were saying it was the same basic thing Cathe was doing with STS. Looks like it isn't.
I think everyone always considered heavy lifting as building muscle. I also remember when CLX was just a rumor people were saying it was the same basic thing Cathe was doing with STS. Looks like it isn't.
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Thanks so much everyone. The VF thread was getting too involved and complicated for me. I am just trying to figure out if I should get CLX. I get skittish about bandwagons. I am getting STS and do not know if CLX will fit my needs or not. I am recovering from injuries that had me in a wheelchair for some time. STS had no cardio, so I knew I could "modify" and lift to my heaviest, which is not very heavy at the moment. CLX I am not sure.
fit44
Cathlete
No, it is not considered cardio and it is considered weight training. It is using weight training with a specific goal to burn fat. It is considered more effective than cardio because it boost your metabolism and preserves lean muscle. You can gain muscle, but it is not as efficient as a program designed for hypertrophy(muscle growth).
Here is Alwyn's definiton:
1. Metabolic Resistance Training Basically we're using resistance training as the cornerstone of our fat loss programming. Our goal is to work every muscle group hard, frequently, and with an intensity that creates a massive "metabolic disturbance" or "afterburn" that leaves the metabolism elevated for several hours post-workout.
fit44
Cathlete
STS and CLX appear to be two very different programs.
For someone like me who has been doing mostly endurance type workouts (lighter weights, higher reps) for an extended period of time, CLX has been a great program. Less reps and sets allowing me to lift weights I've never lifted before.
I feel better prepared for STS. I'm glad I had to use before STS arrived.
I will use CLX as a fat burning program when choosing my future rotations.
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