Question for Kathryn

Miss Lee

Cathlete
Hi Kathryn,

I was curious to know if you have many "older" students in your French class, and if so, how would you say they do? When compared to your younger students, would you say they have more or less trouble learning a foreign language?

I've signed up for an Italian language course and I'm excited yet nervous about it. I took Latin in high school and did fair, but then, I really wasn't interested in it at the time.

I'd appreciate any input.

TIA

Michele
 
Hi, Michele!

I've had several older students in my classes over the years (about a half-dozen total, perhaps?)

I've found that, while they sometimes have a harder time picking up the accent, etc., they do very well in class because:

1) they are usually prepared for class(and sometimes much more than they need to);

2) they actually do the homework and other assignments, and not just "the minimum," but try to stretch themselves;

3) they are usually taking it because they are very interested in it, and not just because there is a language requirement to fulfill.

Everyone is different, and some people pick up languages faster and better than others, but if I had my druthers, I'd rather have a class full of "older than average" students than a class of freshman who don't want to be there or who have a bad attitude (unfortunately a problem with a couple of my intermediate students this semester, who don't seem to want to actually learn French, but would rather play games all the time or have me speak English most of the time- I like games as well, but too much English in the class is not an effective way to learn the language or to prepare for advanced classes, so I don't do it).

I actually can't remember an older student who didn't get an "A" in class.

Good luck to you!

Italian is a beautiful language! I sometimes wish I would have learned it. I took a class for reading knowledge, but never to speak it (I didn't want to mess up my French and Spanish at the time!)
 
Kathryn--

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Learning of your experiences with older students has put me more at ease. I have the desire but I'm a little shy of complete confidence. I had to chuckle when I read your first item--that your older students are usually more prepared than they need to be. I bought the textbook a couple of months ago, got the syllabus, and completed the first several chapters even though the class doesn't begin until the end of the month. I'm worried about making a complete fool of myself. LOL!

My class isn't for credit. It's a course offered by a few Italian immigrants--people that have lived in the states for a number of years and many of whom are professors at a local university. They got together and decided to teach Italian on the side. The class sounded like fun and seemed pretty non-threatening.

My mom was born in a small village northeast of Naples and came here when she was about 6 or 7 years old. Unfortunately, she wasn't interested in teaching her children the language. I think she just wanted to be an American. She and her siblings pretty much quit speaking in their native tongue after my grandparents died. My mom is gone now and I feel a strong desire to connect with my heritage.

Thanks again. I may have questions for you again later. ;)

Take care--Michele
 
>My mom was born in a small village northeast of Naples and
>came here when she was about 6 or 7 years old. Unfortunately,
>she wasn't interested in teaching her children the language. I
>think she just wanted to be an American. She and her siblings
>pretty much quit speaking in their native tongue after my
>grandparents died.

I think that's a shame, and it happens so often.
I used to teach beginning Spanish as well, and had several students with names like "Marcos Rodriguez" who didn't know Spanish well (their parents may have spoken it, but not with the children, so "Marcos" didn't pick up any, or just picked up a bit). I think it would be great to learn two languages from the get-go.
 
Michele:

the thing to remember, when you are afraid of making a fool of yourself, is that no-one else in the class is going to know if you have made a mistake or not, only the teacher. In my advanced Spanish writing and reading classes at the U of M, conducted entirely in Spanish, I have some students with great grammatical knowledge and fabulous accents, others who are less fluent. I tell them every semester that this is not a competition. During oral discussion, i.e. the entire class, the other students don't pay as much attention to eachothers responses as they do to the teacher. They are not able to detect the errors that I hear immediately. And they would never laugh or snigger at a mistake because they understand that the language classroom is different to all others and they would hate to be laughed at themselves by people more fluent than themselves.

The reason why a language class is so different is because you start from the position of a knowledgeable, speaking adult with experience in the world. However, your ability to express 'yourself' , your sense of 'you' is limited to the vocabulary and grammatical structures you have learned to date. So, it can get frustrating in that sense. But, everyone in your class is in the same boat and they are too busy freaking out about their own performance to really care about yours.

I have never had students laugh and snigger at eachother's mistakes, even when I have taught required beginning and intermediate language classes. Actually what happens is the reverse: over the course of the semester the students and I form a community that is unique to the academic system. In a language class more than any other the students and teacher get to know eachother and enjoy eachother's company. When you are in a large physics class or English 101, you are one person lost amongt hundreds of others, there's little chance of forming a community there.

But in my classes I foster a relaxed learning environmnent where, as the students get to know eachother, which happens quickly because you are forced to share so much personal information together, they actually become one large support group. They cheer eachother on when someone has mastered a new concept and displayed that mastery. They laugh at eachother's anecdotes and personal mishaps when we do oral work and presentations, but here the laughter is at the anecdote itself, not at the person's shaky grammar.

And as Kathryn says, older students are a delight to have in the classroom. They are prepared, do all their assignments and on time, are the most respectful members of the class and do not have attitude problems! Your teacher will welcome you with open arms!

Remember that you will be embarking on a learning experience/process and not a competition to see who can master the language the fastest. If you feel nervous during class, just ignore the others and do your own thing. Never be afraid to speak and give opinions. Firstly because you are a unique individual who has as much to contribute as anyone else. Secondly because if you don't make mistakes, you can't learn from them and correct them. Thirdly, because if students don't collaberate and contribute the teacher cannot teach! Students who participate make the language class possible. otherwise, what? We sit in stony silence?!?!?!?

Learning another language is an adventure and being able to speak the language of a country when you visit opens doors for you that the English speaking tourist cannot enter. The Italians will love the fact that you can speak to them in their own language, you will be showing them how much you value their culture.

Michele, have fun with Italian, OK? And let us know how you progress!

Clare
 
Dear Kathryn and Clare,

I'm so glad I posted my question. Your responses are so thoughtful and thorough! You have done much to boost my confidence. I'll keep you posted on my progress.

Thanks again--I'm so grateful for your input.:+

Michele
 

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