PushPull vs Muscle Max/Muscle Endurance

roses_92123

Cathlete
I couldn't help but notice in another post that someone said that Push pull and super sets are a different style of workout than muscle max and muscle endurance.

Since I don't have any of the above, I was wondering if someone could explain the differences to me. For instance..which are "toning-motivated" vs muscle building types of workouts?

Thanks in advance! ;-)
 
All 4 of them are endurance based, meaning that there is a limit to how much muscle mass you can gain with them, but they give defintion. Of the 4, Push/Pull is not a personal fave. I find it boring and have only ever previewed it, never done it. Muscle Max is fantastic and actually, I would say that of the 4, this is the one that most lends itself to muscle building. It is a more motivating workout. Muscle Endurance is tough, excellent on the lower body. Supersets is a personal fave because it is so motivating. the music is fab, Cathe is upbeat, there's a lot of variety and I don't have time to get bored. It's the workout I reach for when I want to have fun, and not kill myself. The biceps section is particularly good.

Clare
 
Muscle Max is the workout that probably uses the heaviest weights. But it probably has the least legwork (4 exercises). The band is used for "bonus burns". Upper body is worked very thoroughly and each part is worked until exhaustion before moving on to the next. A thorough ab workout is at the end.

Muscle Endurance is higher rep, and lighter weight. Cathe uses 5 and 8lb dumb bells and a barbell. Upper body is worked one part at a time until exhaustion. Leg work is composed of 3 cycles (2 sets each) of leg presses, plus another exercise for each cycle and this is interspersed between the upper body work. Again, a thorough ab workout is at the end.

Supersets and Push/Pull both use the ball as much as possible. I've only done Push/Pull as presented once, but you do one set per bodypart, so it's best to go as heavy as you can. Some bodyparts are worked (to keep the "push/pull" format) that aren't normally worked, like the tibialis (front of shin) and lower back. Abs only have one exercise. It's a relatively short workout.

Supersets has 4 cycles. Each cycle consists of a leg, shoulder, and core exercise. Two cycles work the bi's and back, and two work the tri's and chest. So 2 cycles would be: legs, back, bi's, shoulders, core; and the other 2 cycles are: legs, chest, tri's, shoulders, core.

I think Supersets and Push/pull are considered "easier" workouts because the muscle groups are not worked all at once to exhaustion. Also, since the ball is utilized so much, you have to keep the weights used lighter because of the unstable environment.

Diane
 
Thank you Clare and Diane for your wonderful explanations and examples. I appreciate them very much!! I am more of an intermediate, particularly when it comes to weights, and perhaps the pushpull/supersets DVD would be more my speed until I can work up to heavier weights.

I will keep all of your information in mind when making a decision!

Thanks again!:D
 
Rose, I'm also an intermediate in terms of weight training and found the "Ultimate Guide to Cathe's Workouts" (pinned at the top of the forum) to be very helpful in guiding my purchases.

I started out with the Add-Ons from Basic Step and Body Fusion when I began lifting this past summer. From there, and because I already had the DVD, I went with Power Hour as the next step up because according to the Ultimate Guide, it was rated as difficult, but not killer. And as with all Cathe workouts, at first I either modified or stopped altogether when my form began to suffer.

I had noticeable strength and definition gains and less DOMS within just a few weeks of doing PH. I've since moved on to Maximum Intensity Strength, which I LOVE. (I'm saving my pennies for Muscle Max and the Gym Styles.;) )

YOu really can't go wrong with any of Cathe's workouts. Good luck to you!
 
I want to know if when doing Push/Pull with only one set per body part, should you lift even heavier than when you do a workout such as MuscleMax, or Maximum Intensity Strength where you do at least 2 sets per body part?

Sherry:)
 
Thank you Greeneyedlefty for your comment! I remember reviewing the Ultimate Guide to Cathe's workouts when I first ventured onto this forum (almost a year ago before I actually joined and started buying her workouts!!). I had completely forgotten how valuable of a resource this is, particularly to someone not familiar with her intensity. I am certainly not new to working out, however, I am finding that my workouts in the past pale in comparison to Cathe's!! So...I feel like I am stumbling through trying to figure out which video to try next.

Thanks again for your imput and your helpful reminder about the guide!!:D
 
Not necessarily. You don't have to "dumb yourself down", as it were, just because you are intermediate. Invest in the workouts that will give you the most bang for your buck in the long run. All you do is use an appropriate weight for you and continually increase them as you get stronger. You can start out with MM or ME if you want: where Cathe uses a 40 pound barbell for squats, for example, you just follow with your 20 pounds, or whatever. All that really makes one DVD harder than another is the weight used and the amount each muscle set is worked. So, maybe Cathe does more leg work in ME than she does in Supersets. So what? You get ME and you do 60 % of the leg work at first, and as you get stronger and fitter, you do gradually more of it.

Unless you have cash to burn, buy the weight training DVDs which give you the most room to grow.

Clare
 
Remember also that if you get Supersets/Push/Pull, you can make them harder for yourself as you grow simply by using the premixes and repeating cycles or muscle groups twice. There are premixes for doubling the whole lot, or doubling up the upper or lower body work. What you do with the workouts is endless and totally up to you.

Regarding the weight load: you would have to preview the DVD and go through it once, with conservative guesstimates regarding the weight you use in order to figure out for yourself: could you have gone harder? Do you need to lighten up on the biceps weight for exercise one, for example? It's not true that Cathe only does one exercise per muscle group in SS/PP. In SS, she does several exercises for biceps. Quite a set, in fact. Until you do it, you cannot say or know what weight you will need. Always do a trial run-through, with pad and pen next to you to jot down what weights you used, with "+" and "-" signs next to them to indicate whether you need to add to or decrease the load next time.

HTH!

Clare
 
Thank you Clare...this does help!!! I love your suggestion of keeping track with a pen/notepad and using indications for whether or not the work load should be increased or decreased. Very helpful!!
 
I did also get your earlier post....thank you Clare again for the great information. I think that you are right, it is much smarter to get the videos that give you the most room to grow (which for me is a lot!!!). And I certainly don't have the cash to burn on workout videos that I would like to (saving for a house!), so getting a video that I can constantly be challenged with sounds like the way to go.

I would probably have never considered the more advanced DVD because I am not advanced. But I also should consider that by just modifying the weight, I can adjust the level as I grow.

Great advice!!! :)
 

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