PARIS FRANCE!

kblover

Cathlete
Hi all!

I was pretty bummed yesterday when I realized I wouldn't be able to go on the roadtrip this year (yet again) due to a move that will be occurring around that time. Then a very unique opportunity came to me to go to PARIS FRANCE!!! i can't believe that I'm actually going!!!

What I wanted to know is if any of you have any advice about going to France or any recommendations about the best & quickest ways to learn French - more specifically, what brands of CD's that have worked for you.

one more thing...what kind of workouts do you advise? I'm not sure if my hotel will have a gym. help!

I welcome any and all advice! As my mom always says, "take all the advice you can get and sort it out later." :)

Thank you ladies!!!! All you roadtrippers have fun! I still plan to make it there one day!

CC
 
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How exciting! So happy for you! I actually studied in Paris for a year, but it was 20 years ago (OMG, I feel old!), so I probably wouldn't be much help. But I wanted to post and say how excited I am for you!

Bon voyage!
 
The Rosetta Stone is said to be the best way to learn a language on your own. It's pricey though. How long will you be there? If it's a short trip, forget about working out at the hotel and get your exercise exploring the city. I spent a semester there and it was far too short a time to really get to know the city. You are going to love it! To me, Paris totally lives up to its expectations, which is saying a lot!

Amy
 
I've used Rosetta Stone, and it's good but it takes a LONG TIME. You have to sit at the computer and it's very repetitive and gets boring. For conversational skills, the Pimsleur CD's are excellent. They are expensive (around $600 I think for all 3 levels), but many libraries have them. I'd supplement them with some extra vocabulary as they teach you how to conjugate verbs and put together sentences, but don't really have enough vocabulary to carry on a real conversation.
 
The best advice I can give you? Get out and talk to people once you get there! I was a language instructor (Arabic), and I can tell you that the quickest and best way to learn is "immersion" training!

Honestly, if you get out on the town regularly and interact with the locals IN FRENCH, you'll have a good grasp of the language within a few months.

I'd learn some basics first (my name is, I'm looking for, hospital, bathroom, etc...), but honestly, nothing brings it home to you like just getting out there!

Good luck! I loved Paris!

MC
 
What a great opportunity. I lived in France for a summer the year I graduated high school. It was definitely one of the best experiences of my life. For conversation practice, I would suggest trying to join a French Language Meetup in the city where you live. Go to www.meetup.com to find one. They're a fun and inexpensive way to practice conversation skills.

Bonne chance!
 
Kgalas: Thanks for posting the link to meetup, I have been looking for a French conversation/playgroup forever.
kblover: I wish I could come with you!!
 
And this is why i love you guys!!! anytime I have a question, I know I can come here and find an answer! Thanks for all of your suggestions (don't stop if you think of more). I have to get busy on investigating! Thanks also for the names of some people in France I can contact... so much to do and so much excitement! Unfortunately, I'm only going for a 8 days (but it's better than no days!). However, i still want to become fluent in French...this just gives me a little more incentive!
 
You'll have a wonderful time. Don't worry about exercising b/c you Walk, Walk Walk! So, you can walk off all the great breads and wines you will encounter.

Most everyone will speak politely to you in English if you make an attempt to greet them and thank them in French. At least that was our experience, if they thought we were trying, they were very nice.

There is a website www.freetranslation and you can type in anything you want to say in English and it will translate it to French. Don't know how to help you pronounce it though!

have fun
 
Unfortunately, I'm only going for a 8 days (but it's better than no days!). However, i still want to become fluent in French...this just gives me a little more incentive!

How exciting! When are you going? If it's rather soon, I don't know if it's realistic to hope to become fluent in time for your trip, unless you have already studied French in the past. I'm a French instructor at a community college and a life-long learner of the language, and I believe that there are no short-cuts to learning a language instantly. Immersion is great, but you can only benefit if you have some base knowledge. But don't be discouraged! If you are a beginner, you can learn A LOT if you really hunker down and get to work. You have a great reason to be motivated after all!

Hmmmm, I'll try to post some of my favorite Paris places/things to do. I'm so jealous!
 
I am SO jealous. It's been years since I've been there, but I really want to go back. For languages, here is a link to an online tool that's quite good and will get you the conversational phrases you'll need to get around. And it's free! http://bbc.co.uk/languages/french/ . As for working out - don't worry about it. Paris is an extraordinarily walkable city. Also, check out their service called Velipe. They're public bike rentals. You pay your fee (and it's cheap) take your bike, cruise around, and then return it to the nearest Velipe stand. They're all over the city. Brilliant idea.
Also - you must be sure to see Saint Chappelle. Go on a sunny day. It's a small venue, so you'll be in and out in an hour. Breathtaking - literally!! Enjoy a Monaco for me!! (it's a delicious refreshing beverage)
 
I've been to Paris twice for vacation. We found that as long as your learn the basics (ie: ALWAYS greet someone in French prior to speaking to them, "do you speak English", etc..), most folks there are happy to speak to you in English as long as you try some French with them.

Best advice as a traveller, guided tours! If you're going to the Louvre (which I'm sure you are), get a guided tour. It's HUGE, and is tough to take it all in. Particularly for art, we found that having someone explain the purpose/approach/message for each painting was much better, since we didn't know what we were looking at. Same of sculptures, etc...
There's so much historical significance, and the audioguides are tough to follow in a place that big!

We used Barbara at Paris Photo Tours. She is an American (so no language barrier!) that has lived in the Montmarte area of Paris for 10 yrs. Very friendly and very knowledgable.
www.parisphototours.com
She even gave us some "local" hot spots to visit and took us to one of the better local shopping districts to avoid the Champps Elysees.
 
Hi kblover - I visited Paris last April with my mother. It was truly awesome. :)

I picked up a pocket sized phrase book and tried to memorize a few key practical phrases and that worked pretty well. The local folks could tell immediately that I was English speaking, and all were very friendly and helpful.

ITA with others about forgetting a workout. You can easily put on 5 or more miles a day walking through the city.

If you are at all interested in a day trip outside the city, my mother and I took a one day tour of the D-Day beaches. I was not expecting to be as affected by it emotionally as I was. It was a long day (12-14 hours) but it was worth it.

Also, visit some of the local markets. I went to Rue Cler and loaded up on some great stinky French cheeses to bring home to my hubby.

If you're at all into cooking and/or cookware, go to E. Dehillrin in the 1st arrondissement: http://www.e-dehillerin.fr/en/index.php

It is the most awesomest cookware store on the planet! I bought a Mauviel copper paella pan for half of what it costs in the U.S....I'm kicking myself for not buying more!!

Have a great time!
 
Thanks guys! Now I wish I could bring all of you with me - somehow I know we'd have a blast...despite the face we've never met! I will have to talk to my friend about what exactly we are going to do. This was all so last minute that I only have the plane ticket, but just being in Paris will be so exciting!

I will definitely take all the advice about exercising. I feel a little silly about even worrying about it now....oh well :) I will use my time wisely and not waste it in a hotel!!! Can't wait to go (in May) and take pictures to show you all!

Thanks again for all of your help on language and sites! yeah!!!

Cheryl
 
You could take me along as a translator. ;)

Best way to learn french: in an immersion situation.
Another idea: if there is a college in your town, hire a French major (or a teacher) to give you some private lessons. Then you can learn some basic phrases, AND learn short conversational situations (you can listen to CD's and practice along, but nothing really prepares you for interaction, except interaction! Don't worry about having a thick accent: if you don't speak much French, it's better to HAVe an accent, so it's pretty obvious right up front!

Defininitely learn basic courtesy: say "bonjour Madame" or "bonjour Monsieur" when you enter shops (Americans get a reputation for being rude, because they often don't do this, and to many French, especially those out of the tourist loop, which is more interesting, it's like someone walking into your house without acknowledging your presence). When leaving, say "merci, au revoir".

Workouts? You don't need a workout. I was in Paris last summer, and I walked from morning till evening, both in the streets and in the metro system (which is a great way to get around: very convenient, and once you learn it, very logical). At most, take some resistance tubing for some upper body work (though carrying shopping bags and big purses full of what you need for the day can be quite an upper-body workout itself!).

Definitely pick up a Paris street guide (even Parisians use them, not just tourists) and ditch the big 'I'm a lost tourist" map, except to consult in your room when making plans for the day). Look for a "guide des arrondissements parisiens," like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Plan-Paris-par-Arrondissement-District/dp/0785991824 (you can also wait and buy one once you are there, but if you get it ahead of time, you can practice reading it, and mark locations)

You might also want to pick up a walking tour book once you are in Paris (go to a small bookshop if you can find one, and ask the owner to help you. One of the most wonderful things about France is how helpful--if you are polite!---the shop owners are. They know what they are selling, and they love to help. It was quite a culture shock when I came back to the US, and I wanted to go to thus-and-such store for one thing, to another type of store for another, and the only place locally that had what I wanted was Walmart. Not quite the same experience!)

Once you get to Paris, if you are interested in seeing a movie or a play, or just seeing what's going on, pick up a copy of "Pariscope" or "L'Officiel des Spectacles" (go to a kiosque--a magazine stand--say "bonjour madame/monsieur" and "Pariscope, s'il vous plaît") which is a weekly listing of what's going on. You can even find some listings of guided tours that you just show up for and pay the guide on the spot (tours in English as well). I didn't get a chance to do that , but I thought it seemed like a cool idea.

Take some post-it "arrows" with you to mark pages.

Paris hotel sinks often don't have stoppers, so I recommend taking a large (2 gallon) zip-lock plastic bag or two (they work well for hand washing clothes; taking a foot bath, if you have a hotel room with no bathtub or bidet, like I did, and packing your dirty clothes on the way back.)

Some nice places to visit:
The Marais district
The "bouquinistes" (book sellers) on the Seine.

Here's the thread where I gave a 'report' of my Paris trip. It might give you some ideas.

http://cathenation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249193&highlight=paris+trip
 
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Hey Kathryn ~ I wish I could take you along as a translator!! I can tell you where to get a ticket if you'd like to come (hehehe)...as for the street map you recommended...does it matter what year it is? It looks like the link you sent is 1995...not sure if it matters or not...just wanted to check. Ok, I'm off to check out your other posting. I might have more questions for you later...if you don't mind


Thx!!

Cheryl
 
Hey Kathryn ~ I wish I could take you along as a translator!! I can tell you where to get a ticket if you'd like to come (hehehe)...as for the street map you recommended...does it matter what year it is? It looks like the link you sent is 1995...not sure if it matters or not...just wanted to check.

The guide I have supposedly is that one (I left it in the office, so I can't look right now at the date, but Amazon indicates I ordered that one) and I had no problems using it last summer. There might be some slight differences, but Paris hasn't changed its streets much over many years.

You can also go to a bookstore once you get there and ask the clerk to help you pick one out.

If you do that, you could make plans ahead of time using some online maps of the arrondissements. Go to www.wikipedia.fr and look up "paris arrondissement" and there is a page for each one, with a link on the middle-right side to a map (like this one of the 9ème arrondissement where I stayed this past summer: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Paris_9th.png )
 

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