Okay all you vegans

L Sass

Cathlete
Looking for your input. I want to learn more about your diet. Why do you follow it - more for ethical reasons or more for health reasons (or do you find the 2 components inextricably linked?) How long have you done it? What is your macronutrient breakdown? Do you find social outings difficult? Are you a strict adherent? Are there times you would kill for milk chocolate or real butter on your popcorn? Please tell me what you can.

I've gotten some good book suggestions that I want to pick up from a few other threads, but I thought I'd like to hear your experiences as well. Thanks a bunch.

Lorrie
 
Hey Lori,

I've just starting eating this way for about one week now!

I read that book Eat to Live by Joel Fuhrman and I know he's right.

I'm sort of combining his way, with the weight watchers core plan, which is about the same. Lots of fruit and vegetables, and whole grains, not much else.

It's been surprisingly easy to stick to! I feel fine, and lost a little weight even with all the halloween candy I ate. I only need to lose 5 pounds and I believe I will.

I admit my main reasons are selfish, my health...but I do feel better not eating animals and supporting the whole concept of it. I think it's barbaric and unnecessary. But I was doing it to fit in with the world we live in.

I'm being low key about it and not saying much, as whatever people choose to eat is fine with me and I don't want the attention.

Also I'm not that into cooking! Are you? I'm happy to just stirfry, grill or broil a bunch of veggies and put spaghetti sauce on it. Couscous or quinoa on the side for a grain. Lots of morning star farms stuff, although it's processed. Tried tofu lunchmeat, also highly processed, but not bad. My kids were teasing me about a tofu corndog, saying Mom, that's made from the worst parts of the tofu! (aka cow eyeballs...)

Good luck with it. Oh the gas though...still working on that problem!

:):p
 
Hi Lorrie...you already know a bit about me. I follow a Vegan way of eating for health and ethical reasons. I have been eating this way for 18 months. I have no clue about the macronutrient braekdown (Kathyrn will be able to answer I think) Yes, I do find social outings difficult and for the first time I have had negative comments made about my way of eating and being Vegan. I honestly don't care...:)...I would say yes, I am fairly strict about eating Vegan. I would not kill for milk chocolate (I did have a few M&M's at Halloween) or real butter on my popcorn. I like the Vegan buttery spread myself. I also like Veganaisse. I know I have most likely consumed some hidden animal protien or fat when it couldn't be avoided but I don't beat myself up for it. I feel this is a very healthy way of eating and am trying my best to sick to my beliefs. I have not missed chicken, turkey or beef in the last 18 months...:)...Carole
 
RE: Calling on Kathryn

Ok Kathryn - how DO your macronurtients come in? Do you even monitor that?

Lorrie
 
RE: Calling on Kathryn

Lorrie,

Not a vegan but I just wanted to tell you how much I admire your tenacity. With your great attitude and exploration you are sure to find what works for you!
 
Hi, Lorrie!
Don't get me started! I'm sure my internet connection will have disconected by the time I get done typing this! LOl!

I've been a vegan (with some rare lapses into foods with egg whites and whey in at the beginning) since around 1990. Before that, I was an "almost vegan" (about 90-95%) vegetarian since 1976. I quickly gave up either dairy or eggs (can't remember which anymore) after reading about the way it was obtained. But I couldn't keep on eating dairy (which is very much linked to the veal calf industry) or eggs (which is one of the most cruel products) after learning how things really work. Even if I could be assured that the eggs I got were from true free-range animals, living in peace and harmony on a small family farm, I wouldn't eat them. Humans just don't NEED to use animals to provide for our food and clothing and entertainment, and not using them for such allows us a different relationship with them. And with high demand (even for "organic"), comes more "efficient" (ie: profit-making) means of raising animals, that is also not "humane." The term "humane slaughter" seems like an oxymoron to me.

My most overwhelming motivation is to do as much as I can for animals, which I don't believe should be killed or basically tortured merely for our habits, pleasures, tastes, amusement or "sport". My second reason is health, though the "whole foods" part of my veganism is motivated by that more than the veganism itself. I figure if I'm concerned about other creatures, I should be concerned about myself as well...don't you think? :)

I don't really pay attention to macronutrients (I think if you follow a whole foods diet for the most part, and eat a variety of foods, things pretty much take care of themselves), but I'd say it's close to 60% carbs (whole food sources), 15% protein, 25% fat (maybe more fat than that...that's an area where I could cut down!). From what I've read, the healthiest populations (avoiding the chronic illnesses Americans and populations in other developed nations now suffer from in epidemic proportions) have a minimum of 50% carbs in their diet (the maximum would be around 75%, to allow for enough protein--though those needs have been highly exaggerated--and fat). A protein ratio of around 12-20% is good. That's with some leeway as well. More than that is just not necessary. Fat: ideally 10-20%, but that's my downfall!

Social outings can be difficult if you expect to eat a full meal, LOL! I usually eat ahead of time, and see social outings as just that: a time to be social rather than a time to eat. If I go to someone's house, I let them know ahead of time that I'm vegan and what I do and don't eat, and either suggest I bring a dish, or figure out what I can eat there. Luckily, most of my socializing is with my department colleagues, and they are very open to veganism (one is an "almost vegetarian"--though he calls himself one and it bugs the @$@ out of me--who eats chicken and fish, and he and his wife usually have at least one vegan option when they host parties. Several of my other colleagues make sure to make vegan foods, or make my portion vegan---I don't even ask them to do it!) A good book for dealing with "non-vegans" is "Vegan Freak". I got it through www.veganessentials.com.

I'm usually pretty strict, though there are times I will go for milk chocolate. When I do, I make a conscious choice to do so---which I think is one thing that veganism is about: being aware of what you are consuming and making choices based on "full disclosure" rather than consuming mindlessly. I'm not perfect, but I'm trying to be!

I don't wear leather or wool or silk or pearls, or use things that contain them,(I wore leather and wool as a vegetarian, always finding a rational for it, until I attended one of Ingrid Newkirk's sessions at a veggie conference. After that, I divested myself of wool (gave the good stuff--like sweaters I had knit myself--) to my stepmother) and either gave away my leather shoes, or wore what I had until they were no longer wearable.

I usually buy cosmetics and personal care that has no animal testing or ingredients (I look for "against animal testing" or "no animal testing" labels rather than just the "we don't test on animals"--which could mean "but other companies do it for us"-- or "this PRODUCT not tested on animals" -- which could mean "but the ingredients were").

As for tastes: There are definitely tastes that you will miss at the beginning especially (when I became a vegetarian, my stepmother kept making all the foods I liked when I visited--polish sausage, pork chops--but I refused them. When she offered me a pork chop, she said "it won't kill you." My response was "but it killed the pig" and that was that. Thinking about polish sausages now--greasy, fat polish sausages--makes me almost ill!)

Thinking about where milk comes from (and that the US allows a higher level of pus in it's milk than any other country) doesn't make milk or dairy that appetizing, as well as the fact that it's inextricably connected to the veal calf industry (the idea of talking about living animals as part of an "industry" --though "producers" see them as machines rather than sentient beings--is somewhat absurd!). Humans are also the only animal that drinks milk after weening (and the milk of another species at that--even though domestic animals may drink it, it's not in their natural diet).

If you want the taste of butter, Earh Balance makes a trans-fat free margarine that tastes very buttery (either in stick or tub form). For milk chocolate, there are vegan chocolates that are very yummy (though I've cut down on my chocolate consumption, which my acupuncturist advised me to avoid, since it contains some type of acid that interfers with the area in the intestines that are linked to the immune system--that and coffee, alcohol and soft drinks, which I don't use anyway). I just gave out "treat bags" to my colleagues for Halloween, and I included a couple of dark chocolate vegan bars in each--from a halloween pack that was at a food coop I go to). They thought it was delish!

Rather than thinking of what you will/do miss, think of all you have to eat! So much more, IMO, than most people who eat a SAD. Others may see your diet as being one of deprivation, but I certainly don't think of it as such, and neither should you!

Some good books to start with:
"Becoming Vegan" (an excellent reference that also gives good dietary guidelines, and also has references to other books).

"The RAVE diet and lifestyle" (DVD and book, available at www.ravediet.com . I don't agree with everything the author says, but the DVD is excellent, and a good overview of a healthy vegan diet)

Some good places to get "stuff"!! (I like to give my business to vegan-owned companies, and they've already done all the research to find out if a product is truely vegan, including no animal testing):

www.veganessentials.com (they are in Wisconsin, I'm in Illinois. I've placed orders on Friday morning, received a shipping notice on Friday afternoon, and gotten my package on Monday!).

www.veganstore.com (Pangea vegan products)

VegNews is my favorite veg*n magazine. Neither "straight-edge punk" like "Herbivore," nor "recipe collection" and mainstream like Vegetarian Times, it is very uplifting and positive. You can get a free copy at their web site ( www.vegnews.com ), where you can also find a whole list of on-line resources for buying everything from vegan "junk food" to vegan sex toys!).
 
WOW!!! Thank you so much for that information Kathryn. That's exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for. As I contunue to work with my personal trainer (who is vegan) I told her I'd like to learn more about that option. So all of your comments already put me ahead of the curve.

And Candi - thanks for your compliment. I'm convinced that I have the ability to get into the shape I want - it's just a matter of researching and finding the right combination. You watch - I will look killer in that black mini dress - just in time for my 80th birthday! LOL.

Lorrie
 
Lorrie,

I've already made a pact with myself that when I turn 75 years old I'm gonna eat whatever the heck I want. Probably five small meals a day of ice cream and cookies :7 .
 
Lorrie,
You also might want to vist www.veganbodybuilding.com . They are coming out with a DVD showing the training and eating habits of 3 vegan athletes (a natural body builder, though not professional, a Canadian triathlete, and a dancer) that I think looks interesting.
 
Hi Lorrie-

Good for you for trying new ideas and having an open mind about changing your life! I've been a vegan now for about 15 months and I haven't looked back since. I thought it would be such a hard transition and that was the reason I stayed a vegetarian for so long (13 years).
I was afraid of giving up my mainstays like cheese and milk products. I also didn't like the taste of soy milk at first, but I found the more I used it, the better it tasted.

It really is easy to be a vegan(at home)these days. If I need butter, I reach for Earth Balance(with no trans fats), if I need eggs, I reach for the egg replacer, if I need chocolate, I reach for dark chocolate with no milk.

The reason I became a vegan was both for health and ethical reasons. I've always grown up with animals but never really made the connection between eating animals and loving them as my companions. When I actually sat down and thought about how our society treats animals, I had no choice but to become a vegan. I truely love all animals and I believe with all of my being that they have a desire and a right to live. I would never dream of eating my cats because I love them and because they are their own beings with wants and needs. I extend this belief to cows,pigs,horses,etc.

The vegan part came along because I could not live with myself knowing that I was supporting an industry that is cruel to animals by keeping them confined and using them as "resources". Even so called "free range" animals are still treated this way in many cases. And so, because I do not believe that animals were put here to make my life easier, I cannot support the meat/dairy industry in any way.

As far as my diet goes, I try to make sure every time I eat a meal, it has protein, fat, and carbs. It's actually quite easy to do. A vegan complete protein comes in many forms. You can also combine foods to make a complete protein like beans and rice, peanut butter and whole grain bread, etc.

Good luck and thanks for your interest!

Carolyn
 

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