No wonder salads have a bad rep!

kathryn

Cathlete
I went to an all-day workshop yesterday, and a small lunch was provided: salad or sandwich of our choice. I chose a salad with tomatoes, mushrooms, green pepper, onions, black olives, with house Italian dressing on the side. I was imagining yummy big chunks of the veggies (with little or no lettuce, because it wasn't mentioned) and a nice oil/vinegar dressing with italian spices.

When I got their, I saw that MY definition of a salad was not quite the same as theirs. In the plastic container was a big pile of iceberg lettuce (maybe a few stray leaves of something darker), with very thinly sliced mushrooms (1 or two total!), very pale and thinly sliced tomatoes (I always do my tomatoes in chunks, but maybe the thin slicing is meant to disguise the fact that they are tasteless at best?), and the green pepper looked like 1 small slice of green pepper that had been shredded to bits. Oh, and there were some bonus carrot ribbons (2 or 3!) and about the same amount of purple cabbage (though more like 2 small pieces) as a bonus!

I used the non-recyclable/non biodegradable plate that we got at breakfast (which I intend to reuse until it falls apart---shame on them!) to dump out the veggies ingredients on (minus most of the lettuce), then I added some torn up romaine I had brought ;-) and cut up an avocado I had brought on top of it. Then it became more like my idea of a Imain course) salad (though I couldn't eat more than one of the tomato slices because they were so bad!).

Oh, and the avocado provided the fat in place of dressing. Their "Italian" dressing was a creamy dressing (??!!), and the Italian dressing one of the organizers offered me in place of it (that was in the fridge of the school we were at) was full of junk (like high fructose corn syrup, and the rest of the crap that's in cheap, processed dressings).

I had wondered about bringing my own lettuce and avocado (and new camping tool with a knife and spoon on, to cut the avocado up and scoop it out) but I'm glad I did!

No wonder salads have such a bad rep with many people!
 
Kathryn,
It must have been a nightmare! I find myself in those circumstances a lot lately too. Carrying your own food around is a brilliant idea. Especially if you are going to be out all day and need to replenish your body and find no time to search for a healthy place to eat. It's a shame we can't find reliable people to know what a healthy meal consists of at a workshop. By the way what was the workshop about? I hope not nutrition.}(

Janie

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I feel your pain. At restaurants I usually ask what kind of lettuce they use in the salads. I figure the plastic tomatoes and uncalled for radishes are givens, but if at the very least the lettuce is some form of dark green and leafy, I can eat it.

Sparrow

"The winds of grace are always blowing but it's you who must raise your sail." - Sri Ramakrishna
 
One thing I do like about Germany is their salads. They are usually full of different veggies and they are always fresh. Of course you usually can't choose the salad dressing (and the dressing usually has some sort of 'creamy' element that I find distasteful). I do miss the vegetarian choices in the US (needless to say I eat a LOT of salads here).

Carolyn
 
> By the way what was the workshop about? I hope not
>nutrition.}(

No, fortunately not (though with the American Heart Association serving beef at their dinners, I wouldn't rely on "health" organizations to always serve healthy foods!)

It was a workshop for foreign-language teachers on something called TPRS (a way of teaching by telling stories). It was okay, but LONG (and I hate it when presenters use up time telling anecdotes that don't advance our knowledge, then running over time! It was supposed to end at 3:30 (and was a 2-hour drive both ways for me!), and the guy was still going on at 3:40 when I left! (I wanted to stick around to fill out evaluations, but I just couldn't take it anymore!).

When I don't agree with a presenter, I can tend to be a fidgety (sp?) audience member, and when he said things (to the mostly high-school-teacher audience) like "you'd be surprised at how many college language professors use less of the target language in their classes than you do.' Huh? Not in either of the schools I've attended, nor at the one I teach at. Though I have gotten students FROM high schools who aren't used to listening to/ speaking French.

Then he showed us some hand gesture for our students to show us when we were "out of bounds" (using vocab they don't know, or speaking too fast) and it was a repeating of the "rock"' motion in "rock, paper, scissors'. !!! There's no way I would recommend that someone have their kids use that gesture! If you get my drift (obviously, he was oblivious to the possible connotations!).

Sorry for blabbiing!
 
I know what you mean. A lot of times when I go out to eat I get stuck just ordering a salad that is on the menu but requesting that they make it without the meat. I often get a tasteless salad with the dreaded iceberg lettuce and not much else.
 
>I know what you mean. A lot of times when I go out to eat I
>get stuck just ordering a salad that is on the menu but
>requesting that they make it without the meat. I often get a
>tasteless salad with the dreaded iceberg lettuce and not much
>else.

Blech!x(

On a DVD by "Vegangal", she shows her technique for getting good vegan meals in almost every restaurant. I was amazed at how she did it. For a salad, for example, you can look over at the whole menu, see what veggies are offered in other dishes (red peppers? avocado? mushrooms?) then ask the waitress to make a salad adding those ingredients (just be ready to pay extra for it). I haven't tried out her techniques yet (I rarely eat out, because I prefer whole foods, and that's pretty hard to come by in most restanrants).
 
Thanks for the idea. I do not know if that would work or not. Probably in a more family run place they would be happy to help you out. However I think I would probably have more trouble at the big chains with the 16 year olds on the wait staff (no offense to 16 year olds haha).
 
To me, salad is the litmus test for the quality of a restaurant, the same way vanilla is the litmus test for the quality of ice cream. Start me off with a bowl of pale green iceberg and a few slices of an anemic tomato, and you might as well stop right there, because I know the meal is going to fall short of my standards. The one exception is Japanese restaurants. I've had some awesome sushi following the usual disappointing pale/anemic salad. I think these restaurants all started off serving miso soup as the first course, but had so many requests for salad instead, that they gave in and put it on the menu, like diet soda, never really understanding what it was or why anyone would want it.
 
>To me, salad is the litmus test for the quality of a
>restaurant, the same way vanilla is the litmus test for the
>quality of ice cream. Start me off with a bowl of pale green
>iceberg and a few slices of an anemic tomato, and you might as
>well stop right there, because I know the meal is going to
>fall short of my standards. The one exception is Japanese
>restaurants. I've had some awesome sushi following the usual
>disappointing pale/anemic salad. I think these restaurants
>all started off serving miso soup as the first course, but had
>so many requests for salad instead, that they gave in and put
>it on the menu, like diet soda, never really understanding
>what it was or why anyone would want it.

Nancy, you are so right! I can't get a salad at any of our usual spots these days. We did have a favorite hangout, but they have changed their menu and it included changing the their dark green salads to iceberg and upping the price. We quit going and I was so disappointed because they used to have my favorite salads. I can only eat the salads that I make at home now because it is hard to find a good salad that you don't have pay out the wazoo for. I can make a GREAT one at home for a mere fraction of the cost. :)

Kathryn, way to be prepared!

Missy
 

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