Fad Diets and Factoids--Where They Come From

Maribeth

Cathlete
Hi, Guys!
I've spent my summer so far in checking out and into some nutritional biochemistry
points for the purpose of clarifying issues in my mind. While doing so, I have
found some info that my fellow Cathe Forum friends might find interesting, so here goes.

Background here...did you know that high carbohydrate foods that are high in fiber
list an erroneous calorie count on their labels? The carbohydrate content includes
both fibrous (soluble and insoluble) and non-fibrous sources and counts both fibrous
and non-fibrous in their total calorie count per serving. But, fiber isn't
digested, nor absorbed, so the calories consumed in the form of fiber don't count at
all, meaning that all those "eat clean to lose" are, to an extent, missing
a point. People are not losing weight on the clean eating plans because they don't
eat cookies and white flour, they lose weight because the net absorbable calories
from the high fiber foods they eat is lower than what they think.

Example here--a piece of white bread that has no fiber has 22 grams of
carbohydrates,
all of which are absorbable, yielding 88 calories per serving. A piece of whole
grain bread may have 22 grams of carbohydrates, but 7 grams of those carbs are
fibrous, therefore, only 15 grams/60 calories are available for absorption. But the
nutrition label will list both products as having the same number of calories. At
first, it doesn't sound like much, but in a day's time, it can add up.

My point here, and I do have one, is that it isn't passing on eating processed foods
that makes a difference, but the net number of calories available for absorption.
Since processed foods have virtually no fiber, in essence they have more calories.
So two foods with the same number of grams of carbs per serving (protein and fat
content being the same for both) should have the same number of calories, right?
Gross calories, yes. Net absorbable calories, no. For each gram of fiber present
in the food, deduct 4 calories from the total per serving to get the net absorbable
calories. So the reason for losing weight on the "no processed food/clean
eating" plan is due to it being lower in net absorbable calories--not because
sugar
and processed foods are demons or work some kind of evil magic.

Now, on to the high protein thing a la Atkins et al--there is something known as the
thermic effect of food. Basically what it boils down to is the number of calories
required to do the work of digestion and storage of a particular nutrient.
Approximately 8% of the caloric value of a carbohydrate is expended, approximately
3% of the caloric value of a fat is expended, and a whopping 20-40% of the caloric
value of a protein is expended in digestion and storage.

Given that diets like Atkins are typically a fairly low calorie diet to begin with,
when you consider that the eating plan gets at least 50% of its calories from
protein and of that 50%, 20-40% will be burned in the digestion process, it becomes
even more evident as to why people lose weight on the plans. Ain't no hocus-pocus
or magic ketogenesis here--it's a diet even lower in net calorie totals than we
thought! Say a person on a 1200 calorie a day diet (typical Atkins plan amount)
eats 600 of those 1200 calories from protein, you have to subtract another 120-240
calories from their daily total to account for the high rate of thermic effect of
protein vs carbs and fats. So, what was a low calorie diet to begin with becomes
even more so. No wonder people lose weight! That combined with the water lost due
to the low carb thing is where the answer lies! It ain't some miracle, it ain't the
marvels of ketogenesis, what it is, is the old calories in vs calories expended that
makes the difference in these funky eating plans. This is what educated
nutritionists and exercise scientists have been saying all along.

And, as for insulin stopping the body from using fat to fuel exercise as a reason
to exercise on an empty stomach or to avoid carbs in the morning, uh-uh--exercise
causes a release of catecholamines, which block/negate the effects of insulin,
therefore allowing the body to utilize fat even if carbs have been consumed and
insulin levels at the onset of exercise are somewhat elevated.

Now, there is something to avoiding wildly fluctuation blood sugar and the hunger
response associated with it, but the key is to eat combinations of foods that slow
absorption. The slowing of absorption will keep blood sugar levels on an even keel.

And, for those people with chronically high insulin levels, the circulating
catecholamine effect may not be enough to block insulin sufficiently to allow much
fat to be used to fuel exercise. Chronically high insulin levels could also prevent
fat from being utilized at rest also--more stuff I can post later on this if
anyone's interested.

I know I went off here, but my research project this summer has been nutrition, fad
diets and performance. Again, not to minimize the importance of a healthy diet, but
so much of the mythology propagated as gospel in the fitness world totally confuses
people as to what the facts are. Bottom line is net absorbable calories in vs
calories expended--regardless of what you eat, if you take in more than you expend,
you gain fat.

Thanks for reading!
Maribeth
 
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-02 AT 01:21PM (Est)[/font][p]Thanks for that info! The magic bullets and smoke and mirrors "diets" don't work, surprise, surprise. Common sense wins out, and I'm glad I didn't waste money on the fad books.

I'd read that to get gram count of complex carbs of a given food you subtract the grams of fiber and grams of sugar from the total carbs on a food label.

Anyone remember the F-Plan diet of the early '80's? I hit on that before that book came out because I'd lose weight in a week when I was trying to eat my way through a pot of navy bean soup (I was the only one in my house who would eat it, not that it wasn't good).
 
THANKS, Maribeth!
And anything else you want to post on the subject, I'll read it!!! It's all fascinating to me so please post away.
:)
Kathy
 
Wow! That was awesome information! Pleeeease keep it coming this way. I had to come out of lurkdoom to let you know your research information was greatly appreciated! :-jumpy

Blessings from our home to yours,
Runathon
 
Hi Maribeth,

This was excellent research. Even, I couldn't find something to question. I'm a pretty good questioner when it comes to this subject.

You know it's so funny! Again, I loved your research!

The higher the fiber, generally the lower the fat, the more whole the food, the more your body will be healthy. Been saying it all along ... FIBER RULES!

I'm going to post a link to this thread on my site so others can read it ... I love getting people to read this type of stuff when it's such a good read. Education of the general populous is a wonderful thing ... KEEP IT UP!

Keta. :D

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Maribeth-
Another Thank You. I read and absorbed (most! of) your information. Not that it contained any fiber! But I will read it over again because it takes me 2 reads sometimes, to really absorb everything.

I learned the facts you gave here in Nutrition class, 6 years ago, but it's a good refresher. Much closer to home now that I'm really interested!

Thanks for jumping on "board!" Whenever I see your name, I click. Keep the posts coming. -Connie
 
Great post, Maribeth. I am always one for the truth!! Oh, Keta, how did I know I would see you here???:)
 
I would add one thing. Watch your whole wheat bread. A lot of whole wheat breads contain flour so refined that it's not much dfferent in fiber content than white bread even though it is truly whole wheat. The tougher a bread is to chew, the more fiber it probably has.
 
Maribeth :-D

Along with everyone else thank for this most excellent piece of research.

I will have to print this out to read it properly and keep it somewhere so that I can refer to it later.

Keep up the execellent work.

Babs
 
Maribeth Strikes Again!

Folks, you gotta know Maribeth and I have been e-mail and phone pals for several months now, and never have I met a more generous person with her information, both general and specific!

Thanks for the "article"! Send it to all the newspaper boneheads who are now re-promoting the Atkins-esque malarkey!

Annette Q. Aquajock
In Homage to Maribeth the Amazing Blonde Amazon
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Thanks a lot, Maribeth! People consider me a fitness "nut" & I'm constantly being asked about the whole Atkins diet business & why they lose weight if it's not "healthy." Your explanation is much better than my feeble attempts! I don't understand how people can stick to it anyway...I remember going on the 70's version (yeah I'm old enough to remember it AND to be dieting!!) & binging on 4 chicken breasts at a time! I think I was craving something BESIDES protein!

Leslie
 
Maribeth,

Again, I am thrilled by reading another one of your posts. These are the kinds of things that I want to know. Your answers seem to be right on the money, rather than a guess or theory. Thanks so much, and keep on posting! We obviously love to read what you know. I wonder why all of the articles that I read in newspapers and magazines don't give the facts......they just gloss over the info for the average reader.

One question: Why do you believe eating several small meals a day helps to maintain weight? Is it because doing that helps control the amount we eat by keeping the blood sugar level even, or is there something about the metabolism that burns calories more efficiently if they are ingested gradually?

My husband eats fewer calories overall than I do. I eat 6-7 times a day, and he eats 1-2 times (usually once). He goes all day on a cup of coffee and water, and then eats a big dinner. Not an outrageously sized dinner, but a normal big dinner. He'll sometimes eat dessert, but rarely. I eat breakfast, a snack, lunch, two snacks and a small dinner. I am much slimmer than he is, and we both get a lot of exercise. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Sandi
 
Hi, Sandi,
You hit on the two key reasons eating multiple smaller meals a day works well for most people. First, it keeps the blood sugar on an even keel. Second, every time you eat, your metabolism elevates as digestion takes place. Like you, I eat way more than my hubby--he can go for hours on end without food and I have to eat every three or so, otherwise I get very nasty!

-----------------------------------------------------------------Oh, and the comment about making sure whole wheat bread is high in fiber is right on--you have to read the "Nutrition Facts" label, not the package advertising.

Take care--I'll post more soon--just call me the Mouth of the South!
Maribeth
 
Maribeth,

Hi, I write articles for my montly fitness and nutrition newsletter and I was wondering where you got your research? Most of the articles I write are from stuff in my head, and I would like to add more science.
thanks!
Cari
 
Hi Cari & Maribeth!

Cari-is your newsletter available to the public? I would love to read it.

Maribeth~Thanks so much for sharing sooo much info with us all! :7

Your-Friend-In-Fitness, DebbieH http://www.plaudersmilies.de/wavey.gif If You Get The Choice To Sit It Out Or Dance...I Hope You DANCE!!!
 
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-02 AT 11:18AM (Est)[/font][p]Lori,
Here's another one--look out, it's a mini-book! Can you guys tell I love to talk?!

Hey, Cari,
Most, if not all of my information came from my grad school training and texts. It was just a matter of pulling everything together and putting it into a form that made sense, then using this information to dissect fact from fiction with the fad diets and nutrition factiods.

All of my graduate nutrition courses emphasized that bottom line was total calories in vs total calories expended that determined whether someone gained body fat. If you go on a cookie only diet and keep your total net absorbable calories at or below your expenditure, you will not gain body fat. It is a thermodynamic impossibility--which is the reason that those crazy diets like the cabbage diet and the hot dog diet resulted in weight loss. The body doesn't care what the source of the calories are--it sees food as a bunch of chemicals compounds to be broken down and utilized. And, the body doesn't care whether the vitamins and minerals come from food or from a pill as long as they are of the same quality and bioavailability.

I realize that sounds totally counter to what we try to teach as fitness professionals, but it is the science of the body--we're basically a bag of chemicals and everything that takes place in the body is a chemical reaction. Instead of saying goofy things to our clients or to ourselves like "I would NEVER put chemicals into my body", we need to understand that EVERYTHING we eat, drink or breathe are chemicals. What happens once we put something into our mouths is nothing more than chemistry at work.

Another misleading statement "Eat everything close to nature and you will stay slim"--doesn't work that way. Yes, typcally carbs in their most natural, ie, least processed form have a much higher fiber content, making them lower in net absorbable calories than their processed counterparts, but you still can't consume unlimited quantities of them and expect to stay lean. If a "natural high fiber" food is consumed in excess and the net absorbable calories exceeds the expenditure, you will gain fat just as if you ate the excess in pure processed sugar.

So, can you eat junk and still have a nice physique? Theoretically, it's possible--it's why we all know people who eat terribly and yet are exceptionally fit, strong and trim. As long as you can supply enough essential amino acids to build muscle, enough carbs to provide energy and enough fats to carry out bodily functions AND keep the net absorbable calories at no higher than the expenditure. For those with a very high basal metabolic rate, it isn't too difficult since they expend loads of calories even at rest.

For the average person, this is the tricky part with a diet based on junk--its why they are called "empty calories"--they provide fuel (the excess of which will be stored as fat) but little else in the way of what the body needs to maintain. In order to get all the nutritional needs met on a junk food diet, you will have to consume quite a lot of it, which in most people means their intake greatly exceeds their expenditure.

Bottom line here is everything in moderation. I have a sweet treat, sometimes more than one, every day. But other than that, I eat lean protein, complex carbs and limit the fat intake. And, I don't miss workouts.

Sorry for the book again! You just asked a simple question and I went off on a wild spiel here. The answer to your question--I get the basics from my educational background, textbooks and research studies, then I pull it all together when the urge hits! ; )

Maribeth
 
Maribeth- I have a quick question for you concerning water. I read a statement the other day that said you should at least drink 3/4 gallon of clean, pure water a day, then have your sugar free Koolaid or whatever. Do you think it makes a difference in cleansing out your body what type of water you drink?? I mean if I drank the koolaid all day, and had a couple of cups of herbal tea(decaffinated), would my body be as refreshed as if I had drank all that in clean water??? I have always had some clean water everyday, but since reading that, I have increased it. Thank you for your answer.
Lori S.
 

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