Cathe - safety of upright rows?

jazz

Cathlete
Cathe - there has been some buzz lately that upright rows are unsafe and may place undo stress on the rotator cuff.

I always do them the way you do them in your workouts, only with dumbells.

Is this exercise unsafe? You always place an emphasis on safety so I always assumed that if you included it in your workouts it must be safe.

I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks.
 
Have you noticed how Cathe hasn't inlcuded these in her w/os since MIS? (At least, I haven't noticed if she has). That is very telling.

Clare
 
There are some in the hardcore series. But she gives pointers about how to do it and modifications if there is clicking in the joint or limited range of motion.
 
Upright rows are also utilized in Cardio+Weights with dumbbells.

It's my understanding no exercise is ever totally contraindicated. Upright rows can have value as long as they are done with safe weight loads and appropriate hand placement - and do not interfere with shoulder issues that might be specific to the individual exerciser.

A-Jock
 
This has been veiwed as contraindicated because of people using bad form, as in bringing the elbows up past shoulder height and shrugging. I think a lot of people also use weight that's too heavy and whip it up rather than raise it slowly.
 
I personally have never had any problems with this exercise. I always follow Cathe's form.

I was just curious. It seems that every few months or so an exercise that I use and don't have any problems with is deemed unsafe.
 
Yes, I did MM this morning and they are included. Cathe uses impecable form on them though and I believe she only uses 10 lb dumbells.
 
I was just curious. It seems that every few months or so an
>exercise that I use and don't have any problems with is deemed
>unsafe.

I know you didn't mean this as funny but it struck me as such! If you watch too much TV or read too much, you will find that breathing isn't healthy either. LOL You know too much salmon isn't good for you, too much milk isn't good for you, too much tuna in a can isn't good for you. Hold your breath, don't eat, & don't exercise. You will live a long & healthy life. LOL
 
Fitness Goddess,

I know what you mean. I ignore most of it and just try to use good middle aged wisdom and listen to my body. So far I'm alive and kickin.:)
 
Hi Jazz! There are always going to be some exercises that pose a little more risk than others. Upright rows are one of those exercises. If you are not experiencing any discomfort while doing these exercises you should be fine. However, if you want to do a modification here is what you can do: While holding the weight in the starting position, keep your thumbs just outside your thighs and only lift up dumbbells or barbell to about chest height and elbows no higher than shoulder height(to avoid the risk of shoulder impingement).

I actually addressed this topic a couple of years ago. If you are interested in my answer, here is a copy and paste: Take Care Jazz!

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Hi Beth! The exercises that you mention are questioned a lot because of the risk of shoulder impingement(basically put...compression of soft tissue in the shoulder joint during certain shoulder activities which leads to pain, inflammation, and swelling). If you are suffering from an acute shoulder impingement you will most likely need to either avoid certain exercises or at the very least modify them, along with putting longer rest periods beween your shoulder workouts. Side Note: If you have serious shoulder pain and are wondering if you have an impingement, it is best to visit your doctor for an evaluation).

If you do not have an impingement but do have shoulder sensitivity from time to time then you will also benefit from more rest between your shoulder workouts along with using modifications such as lighter weight, different equipment, or different levers (ie: bent arm vs straight arm).

Of course another option in either case is simply to do an entirely different shoulder exercise that you are very comfortable with.

If you have neither a shoulder impingement or shoulder sensitivity, you are fine doing my workouts (or these exercises)as presented, however, always paying attention to using good form, proper weight selection, and listening to your body along the way. As with any exercise, there will always be a time where a move just simply doesn't work for your body.

Since these exercises, along with some other shoulder exercises, have been questioned more over time, more modifications are now offered to help reduce the risk of shoulder injury and/or impingement.

Here are some modifications I offer in many of my workouts:

For starters, the standing set position before we begin to lift weight is to keep your chest lifted, shoulders back and slightly down, core braced, and arms down with thumbs just outside of the thighs. This already is advantageous to the shoulder as it creates more open space in the vunerable shoulder joint areas. Keeping the thumbs outside of the thighs will help to avoid having too narrow of a grip as you come upward with the bar or weights, again a plus in helping to prevent shoulder impingement.

For Side Lateral Raises, you are looking to keep your chest lifted, arms slightly forward as you raise them. Also arms parallel to the floor and just slightly below shoulder height at the top of the movement. If the movement is shown as a long lever side raise, you should still have a slight bend in the elbow to take stress off the joint.

Overhead presses: You should have the arms in the wider placement position as mentioned in the set position. As you lift the bar or weights overhead, you should keep it/them slightly forward as to see it/them out of the corner of your eye. Your joints should not lock out at the top of the movement.

Upright rows: As you draw the bar/weights upward, lead with the elbows and keep your elbows slightly below shoulder height at the top of the movement. You can space your hands wider apart and/or come up to only rib cage height if you still have tenderness in the shoulder area.

We all come from different walks in life and therefore, we will always come across exercises that will or will not be suitable for each individual. My best advise to anyone is if any exercise presents any discomfort in any way, simply modify it, and if you still experience some discomfort, do not do the exercise. I hope this helps clarify some of your questions
 
Everything old is new again.

The fitness industry is infected with the same commercial market-driven drivel as the diet industry, in that it routinely demonizes exercises one year and then dusts them off the next year as if they were gold - just as the diet industry demonizes carbs one year, fats the next year, yadda yadda.

Bicycles used to be done to death, at warp speed, and then the fitness industry decided they were Unsafe At Any Speed. Then, when people got bored doing endless series of bent-knee supine crunches, some genius figured out that maybe if you did them at a slow, controlled tempo they just might be good for ya. Same with upright rows, same with standing unsupported hamstring stretches, same with ab work that *gasp* RECRUITS THE HIP FLEXORS.

Again, there are almost no exercises that are completely safe, or completely unsafe. So much depends on the individual exerciser - and how done to death the exercise is at that moment in time.

A-Jock
 

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