calories in non-Western foods

susie2susie

Cathlete
Hi,

For those who are eating clean and count calories, do you eat Asian foods? (in relation to the other post about "Salad Ideas") How do you calculate your calory intake? How can you tell how many calories are in Larb or other Thai or Asian foods since there are so many ingredients that are very different from Western foods that you can find information almost everywhere?

Thanks,
Susie
 
I've never counted the calories in Larb, pronounced /l-ah-p/. However if I wanted to figure it out, I would measure the ingredients and calculate it that way. It's not going to be exact. But, it'll come close. In most cookbooks, there is an index for calories of common foods. The only uncommon ingredients in Larb is roasted ground rice and fish sauce. I could use the calories on the bag of rice and bottle of fish sauce. That's how I would figure out calories when I used to make my twin dds homemade pureed foods due to their feeding/weight issues. I had to journal their food intake for a long time. Their caloric intake pretty much matched up with their dietician's calculations. Although, I think it was easier to calculate their calories since I measured everything. I would make a large batch and then freeze their pureed foods in one ounce portions inside ice cube trays. I guess you could use one of those food scales. I bought a food scale for my son's chemistry experiments really cheap.
 
6Swans4me,

Thanks for the info. Could you please post papaya salad recipe? I am interested in your (and all others) food ideas. What other Thai foods do you recommend?
 
Papaya Salad

It's really simple and often served with rice.
papaya
garlic
hot peppers
lime
fish sauce
tomato

Amounts will vary due to the size and quality of papaya.

Use the large, elongated variety with dark green skin. Peel the skin and shred the flesh. My mom uses a long knife to shred it. She'll repeatedly wack the flesh lengthwise and then shave off long slivers. (Scary I know!!!). I, OTOH, use a modern day shredder. LOL Next, she mashes some garlic with one or two hot peppers. Now, I have no idea of the variety of peppers she uses. She grows her own. They are about 2 to 3 inches long, thin, VERY SPICY HOT, and when mature are usually red or orange in color. (I'll try to find out the variety, but asking my mom for specific information is like talking to myself!) As for mashing the garlic and pepper together, I use a stone mortar and pestle. I suppose you could place them together between a couple layers of plastic wrap and mush them together with a heavy pot or iron skillet. Just improvise :) Add the garlic and pepper to freshly squeezed lime. The amount will depend on the quality of papaya. Sometimes it's a half, sometimes it's an entire lime. You can add more later. Add 2 tablespoons of fish sauce and a thinly sliced tomato. Mix all together with papaya. Taste. If it needs more of a sour taste, add lime. If it needs more salt, add the fish sauce. I usually eat this with steamed rice because it's so spicy.

Another dish that I like is sour bamboo. My mom makes it using alot of exotic spices that I can't even spell. She won't get into with me over the phone because she says she has to show me in order for me to learn. Yada Yada Yada.... Anyhow here's an easier version that tastes just as good.

Sour Bamboo

spicy red curry paste (usually found in a jar)
olive oil
fish sauce
chicken cut into slices (preferably with dark meat)
water
1 can of sour bamboo drained
fresh basil

Cook 1 tablespoon red curry paste and 2 tablespoons olive oil over medium heat. Don't let it burn. Cook until you can smell the aroma. Add 2 tablespoons fish sauce. Add chicken and cook till done. My mom uses thighs with skin and bones. She tells me that she adds boneless, skinless chicken breast when she makes it for me. Now add ~ 2 cups of water. You can add more if needed. Bring to a boil. Add drained bamboo shoots and about 3 stems of basil pulled apart.

You could add coconut juice. But, we don't since I can't stand curry with coconut juice. Also, I prefer the soft bamboo shoots. But, they are VERY HARD to find. My mom can't even find them for me anymore. I'll have to check out the asian grocery stores in Philadelphia. I hate venturing out to some of those neighborhoods. Anyhow, you can still use the regular bamboo shoots. We usually eat this with steamed rice. Do you see a theme here. LOL

I wrote down the recipe for her spring rolls years ago. It's somewhere in my house. The key for spring rolls is finding the round, frozen Lumpia wraps. Again, this requires a trip to inner city Philly. So, I usually have her help me make huge batches (like 200) when she visits and freeze them for later. There are other dishes that I like and she won't tell me over the phone how to make. I think, no, I know she's using this as leverage for me to get my rear to Florida by spring.
 
Hi 6swans4me,
your papaya salad and sour bamoo recipe sounded really good, I had to pint it out:9 :9 Thanks for posting!

Take care!
Belinda
 
Hi 6swans4me

I made red curry with sour bamboo shoots today. Yes, I found them in a vacuume pack in one of the Asian markets. I rinsed and sliced them. I used boneless skinless chicken breast and I have to say your mother was right. The chicken was dry. I think chicken thighs would have been so much better. I also added some brocolli and mini carrots for more fiber volume. Very tastey. So those who would like to try, don't worry if you can't find sour bamboo shoots. Any vegetables will do too. I saved the left over but threw away the chicken.

Thanks for the recipe :)
Susie
 
Susie,

Did you find the soft, tender bamboo shoots? As I recall, the Asian grocery stores sold them in a jar.

Aww, I'm sorry it didn't turn out very well. I should have added a disclaimer... I accept no responsiblity whatsoever for any failed dish even if you follow my instructions exactly. ;-)

If you have a Thai restaurant, grab their take out menu for more curry ideas. They list their main ingredients. It's funny because some of the dishes at my local Thai restaurant describe some of the dishes more complicated than it really is. For instance, Som Tum (Thai Salad) is described as cabbage or papaya, tomatoes & peanuts with Thai spicy sauce. LOL Oh, if you see chili sauce in the description, it's basically freshly crushed hot peppers in vinegar. However, for the most part, they list all the ingredients; right down to the herbs they use.

Another reason for grabbing their menu is to get an idea of how the dish is seasoned. It helps when cooking for yourself. It's best to try a dish made by someone who knows how to cook Thai food and then with the taste still in your senses, try it out at home.

Ohhh, looking over their menu, I see they add lemon instead of lime to their Larb. I'll have to pin them down on this since I've had it there and it tastes like lime.

Most curry has coconut milk added. But, you don't have to add it if you don't want to. Country style curry usually doesn't have coconut milk added. You can add fresh string beans, straw mushrooms, bell pepper, broccoli and cauliflower with ANY kind of meat. Just cook till softened to your liking. If you wanted, you could partially cook your meat and add enough water to cook it all the way through. That would help make it more tender. Also, I should have added that the Sour Bamboo is a soup type dish.

I have to say that you are one adventurous person! If I hadn't grown up eating Thai food, I don't know if I would try my hand at it as an adult. :)

Good Night
 

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