low blood pressure/low heart rate hypochondria!

kathryn

Cathlete
I had to go to see the doctor on Monday, because while clearing up my back yard a bit, I ran into some poison ivy (my arch nemesis!). This time, I thought I'd seen the evil weed before it saw me! No such luck. The first 3 days, it looked like it was staying localized on my arm, then the systemic stuff happened, which is par for the course for me these last few years--except last summer, when I managed to avoid it. I knew by Monday that I'd need steroids, so I called in just for that.

In the doctor's office, the nurse took my blood pressure : "106/60...that's excellent!" (Did I hear a bit of envy in her voice? LOL!). I was quite pleased.

On Tuesday night, one of the possible side-effects of prednisone (hate it! but I seem to need to use one evil to chase another!) kicked in: insomnia, and a brain that just WOULD NOT SHUT UP! It was like an arcade game of ping-pong was going on in my head, with ideas bouncing back and forth against the inside of my skull.

The good news: I came up with some really good ideas for my classes and future presentations (I now have notes on 3 new presentation topics). The bad news: though I laid in bed almost the whole time (except for some note taking to get the ideas out!), I didn't get to sleep until after 6 a.m.!!

While I was lying in bed, at least relaxing as well as I could (the body could, but the brain...AARGH!), I looked over at my alarm clock, and the red LED lights showing 5:30+. As I watched the minutes tick by, I thought it might be an a propos time to do a resting heart rate (lying in bed before getting up is supposed to be the best time to take it).

So I started counting "1, 1, 1" (hang on, it gets better, LOL!), until the minute changed, and I went on to "2, 3.." (see, I told you it would get better!). I counted every beat (heck, why go with the "15 seconds times 4" or other such thing, when you seemingly have all the time in the world to do the job?) and came up with 44 . I was astonished! That's kind of athlete level, isn't it? (I guess power walking and eating a mostly-clean vegan diet does good things!).

Then I got to thinking : if my heart rate is that low, AND my blood pressure is low as well, how in the heck is oxygen getting to my brain? LOL!

Is there a 'too low" blood pressure/heart rate combo?

Or do I just have super-clean, shiny, squeaky blood vessels?

Not bad for 51, I'd say.

(Note: as you may have noticed, another side effect of the prednisone and it's brain-stimulating activity, is wordiness! I hate the drug--though I'm telling my body that it will do what it needs to do, then gently leave my body without doing any harm---but I can definitely see the appeal that certain mind-stimulating substances have for some creative types: artists, writers. Wonder if I can find some healthier thing--like mangos? :) --to do the same thing?)
 
Prednisone!!

Kathryn!

I had to take that stuff when I first came down with mono this summer. My lymph nodes and tonsils were so bad I hadn't eaten in a week, couldn't sleep, could hardly breathe. I gave in after more than a week of pure misery. The stuff started working within two hours and I took a beautiful 3 hour nap. And I've hardly slept since! That was mid-June! I've had a summer off to do nothing but recover, relax, read, and do one (easy) online class, but my insomnia and anxiety are out of control.

I tried talking to several doctors about it (I see whoever is available at my clinic) and nobody believes that the steroids will affect a person in that way. Are they crazy??? Is it simply that nobody is even remotely aware of what goes on in their body? My mom went through the same thing, only she was given massive doses and was a mess for over a year.

This is the first time in my life I feel like I could become addicted to medications in order to make me relax. I hate medications.

I have to say that I probably received energy to work on my class stuff that I wouldn't have had given the mono, but I never gained back "real" energy. Now its purely frustrating that my nervous system is awake but my body is out of it. Another positive is that I was made so anxious by the medication that I gave up coffee completely.

I hope you return to normal soon :).

Sara
 
Hey Kathryn, I went through poison oak in July -- still have just a bit of redness on my leg, believe it or not! Anyway, I was on prednisone as well. The dr. told me to take benadryl at night so that I wouldn't scratch myself in my sleep, but, the great thing about taking it was that I didn't have any trouble sleeping at all! You might try it if you're getting exhausted with no sleep. All in all, I really suffered no side effects from the prednisone -- I was really worried I would, but no problem. Maybe this'll help -- I have no idea about how low is too low on the heart rate/bp. Sorry!

-Beth
 
The dr. told me to take benadryl at night so that I wouldn't scratch myself in my sleep...

That's what the pharmacist recommended for the insomnia, but I hate taking one drug, let alone two (I don't even use asprin or advil, etc.).

I do see a pattern to this: one night of around 2 hours of sleep, followed by a full night's sleep with no problems (full nights on Monday, Wednesday, Friday. 2-3 hours on Tuesday and last night---unfortunately, the deliciously creative idea-stimulating effects were not as prevalent last night).


But hey, did no one notice:

106/60 bp, 44 resting heart rate PRETTY GOOD FOR 51! (LOL!)
 
I tried talking to several doctors about it (I see whoever is available at my clinic) and nobody believes that the steroids will affect a person in that way. Are they crazy???

That's surprising. Though I shouldn't be surprised that many doctors don't take ones own body awareness, and first-hand knowledge that something is not 'right,' seriously at times.

I would think doctors would be aware that Prednisone can cause insomnia and nervous excitation. When I asked the pharmacist about a possible 'fix' for the inability to sleep, he said "prednisone can have that effect," so at least he knew.

I guess I should be happy that I seem to be avoiding the 'weight gain' effects it can have (though appetite stimulation as well as bloating). One time when I was on a 5-day protocol, I gained about a pound a day! And it looked like it was all in my face!! This time, I'm on a 15-day stretch (currently day 7, so still 8 days to go....yikes! At least I'll be off it a few days before classes start: there's no way I could be sure to follow a regular work schedule, and teach to full capacity, if I only get 2 hours of sleep every other day), and believe me, 15 pounds of face bloat would not be a good look!
 
Sara,
I just noticed you're a new poster (or at least have a new user name?).
Welcome to the forums!
I feel honored to have been the recipient of your first post!
 
But hey, did no one notice:

106/60 bp, 44 resting heart rate PRETTY GOOD FOR 51! (LOL!)

I noticed Kathryn :) Mine is pretty low too. When I go to the doctor the nurses always check it, invariably say something like "hmm, that's slow..." and then check it again. Same with the blood pressure. I know mine is better because of my lifestyle, but I also have to thank genetics- my mom is the same way.

I've always been a little proud of it, but I found out last week I'm anemic too (again, like mother like daughter). So now I'm really appreciating my oxygen!

When I was on prednisone the worst part was the never-ending nausea combined with insatiable hunger. Oh, and the mood swings. That Pedigree commercial ("I'm a good dog, I don't know why no one wants me") would send me into hysterical sobbing.

Now I'm taking Tylenol 3, which I hate- I'm right with you on the meds phobia. So I lay awake wondering about my breathing. Am I breathing? Should I be breathing faster? If I fall asleep am I going to stop?

Oh the fun of prescription meds.
 
When I was on prednisone the worst part was the never-ending nausea combined with insatiable hunger. Oh, and the mood swings.

I'm happy to say those are two side-effects that I have not experienced, and hope not too(sounds like such a trivial thing, doesn't it, "side effects," like it's just nothing at all). Nausea and insatiable hunger combined? Sounds like a punishment in one of the circles of Dante's Inferno!

For mood, I'm more in a manic state : I'm a rather happy camper (and a bit hyper: something my French Table pals and stepmother and her husband noticed. I'm sure some of that shows even in my posts from the last few days!). I just hope there's not some kind of odd rebound effect, and when I go off the meds, I'll hit some low.

I'm stongly considering a soak in a bath filled with some home-crafted (by moi!) bath salts (Dead sea salts, baking soda, celtic sea salt, lavender essentials oil and some other stuff). I'll just have to prop my head up somehow (on my inflatable travel pillow) so I don't sink if I fall asleep.


"The medication will do its job effectively, and gently leave my body without doing harm"
 
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Congrats on your low resting heart rate and BP! That's seriously impressive!

I have to share this story re: heart rates so bear with me. I'm from a large family (I'm the youngest of 9) and we tend to be rather competitive with one another. So, at some family gathering, one of my brothers proudly announces his resting heart rate is 38. (He's a long distance runner and avid biker.) No one could match this, but one of my other brothers snarkily responded, "Just think Al, when you die, your heart rate will be zero, then you'll WIN!" :D
 
I have to share this story re: heart rates so bear with me.

Um..Jonahnah...if you could bear with me through my long, medication-induced story, I certainly can bear with you through your story! (Especially since you were impressed with my bp and hr! :) )
 
No one could match this, but one of my other brothers snarkily responded, "Just think Al, when you die, your heart rate will be zero, then you'll WIN!"

LOL!

(I'd leave it at that, but I get a nasty box that says "the message you entered is too short").
 
I feel a bit better now.

I just had a relaxing bath: used my home-made relaxing bath salts (added some clay to absorb toxins), put some Ojon conditioner in my hair (looked like that Little Rascal's character---buckwheat? --with the lock of hair that was always sticking up), and a mud mask on (sorry guys, no photos to post in my album!), a cup of Mu tea on the bamboo bathtub 'table' I recently bought myself, set up my neck pillow and put on the newest Francis Cabrel CD (a WONDERFUL French singer. Even if you don't understand French, his songs are beautiful. Highly recommended!).

I think the body got a bit of a chance to rest.

I did keep a notebook and pen next to the tub to purge any ideas that came up...and I now have ideas for a series (!!) of future presentations!
 
"Just think Al, when you die, your heart rate will be zero, then you'll WIN!" :D

I love that!!

I can relate to the Prednisone effects, I had to take it for a systemic rash a few times too. I was so high on this stuff, I could nOT keep still, cleaned up my house and decluttered like crazy!! AND, oddly enough, I was NOT hungry, didn't have any need for food.

I can relate to the low BP and HR as well. I'm 45, and my HR runs in the 40's as well. Our hearts are SOOOO effecient and such STRONG muscles, they don't need to pump any faster to get the blood circulated throughout the body. THUS, they will pump LONGER (as in longevity). I've never been this fit before, and I am pretty proud of myself as well...
 
I can relate to the Prednisone effects, I had to take it for a systemic rash a few times too. I was so high on this stuff, I could nOT keep still, cleaned up my house and decluttered like crazy!! AND, oddly enough, I was NOT hungry, didn't have any need for food.

I think I'll write a thriller called "The Prednisone Effect." Sounds like a catchy title (unless that's just my prednisone-induced jugement thinking it does, LOL!).

I can definitely see how prednisone can be hard on the adrenal glands (one reason why you're not supposed to just stop if you are on a higher dose, and it has to be tapered back so your adrenals can start functioning normally again). It seems like something that can burn you out. (But isn't that the fate of all great artists? To burn out after a creative frenzy....oh, oh, I think it's kicking in again!)

I'm not particularly hungry, either. I'm trying to stress cleansing foods, high in antioxidants (homemade açai and black cherry sorbet with a big scoop of a red-fruit antioxidant powder), high in fluids (watermelon I bought from a dude on the side of the road--perfectly ripe!, cucumbers, salads). On the other hand, I did pick up some nut mixes that I'm alternating with the lighter stuff (I may have a fat craving).
 
I'm glad you enjoyed my story re: my competitive family. It's nice reading some long posts by you Kathryn! (in addition to your Paris logs, of course). I like the bathtub list concept--your brain is obviously still churning. Your students and colleagues will be impressed by your summer output!

I forgot to mention I took steroids when I had poison oak 16 years ago (omg, I can't believe it was that long ago!). Anyway, I slept fine but SWEATED like crazy! I could literally feel my metabolism just burning away. I lost like 5 lbs in a week, which was nice, but the night sweats were right out of a menopausal handbook :)

Is your French singer on itunes? I like French music--its very relaxing and sounds so sexy, even though I don't understand more than 6 words!
 
Is your French singer on itunes? I like French music--its very relaxing and sounds so sexy, even though I don't understand more than 6 words!

Here's one of his videos of one of his older songs from "Daily Motion". This one's acoustic. There are several more on the site:

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevanc...video/xoklo_francis-cabrel-petite-marie_music

Here are two from his newest album from "YouTube"
This first one talks about "we are similar men" and then has different voices say what their life is like in one phrase (hard to describe, they all say "I" followed by something like "I have only 2 dollars in my pocket" "I pray on a carpet" etc. Cabrel is very into social justice, ecology, etc.):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VTKwYYDwHE

This one contrasts the poor and unfortunate with the "cardinals in their suits" (the rich and powerful), while the rest of us look on and tend to deny that such inequality exists in our country: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXEtyB3cYWk&feature=related

Did I say two? LOL! Here's a third one, the most popular single from the new album. It's about how we leave behind us "roses and pricklers." At the end, he says that hopefully, we will leave more roses than pricklers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-dD39_CDkw&feature=related

Finally, here's one I can't listen to without crying (it's about a bullfight, from the perspective of the bull, who enters the ring, and can't understand what is happening to him, or how the people around him cheering and the fools jumping around like clowns can be serious. It's a song that's much easier to take if you don't understand too much!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt1a6NWKgzs


Enjoy!
 
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Ooooooh, I love his voice! The accoustic guitar was nice too. It was just what I love about French music--sexy voice, languid music, gorgeous language that I can't understand--LOL! Yeah, I think I need one of his cds. I see Amazon has quite a few. The Essential one (1997-2007) looked good since it covers such a long period of his career. Any other suggestions? TIA!
 
I took prednisone almost all summer one year. (poison ivy) I found I needed very little sleep, I had lots of energy, and not much of an appetite. The only drawback was I was losing a lot of hair. Not good. The next year when I once again got poison ivy, I found myself very reluctant to in for a prescription. But you know how miserable poison ivy is, I did have to get a prescription. It went way quickly though and I suffered no more hair loss.

Annie
 
Hi again, Kathryn :)

I am actually an oldie member, but decided to change my name, for no good reason. I was "sblordita." Either way, I always enjoy your posts, so I'm not surprised I responded to you, first ;).

I SO experienced the same sleep pattern you're describing. Little to no sleep one night, followed by 5 or 6 hours the next, then back to nothing. I think my reaction was manifested as anxiety because my body has been so wiped out from mono that I can't actually USE the energy. My muscles just refuse to cooperate. I'm supposed to be sleeping and recovering, and instead I'm lying awake feeling anxious and nervous about....nothing. I also noticed that for the first few days I was absolutely euphoric; I was exhausted and not sleeping, but I was so happy and loving life. Then, I crashed. I've been an emotional wreck ever since. I think I'm super sensitive to these things. And yeah, I'm constantly amazed at doctors' ignorance on these matters. Even if they tell me there's nothing that can be done about it (which is true), acknowledge that I'm not speaking total nonsense here. Geez.

My mother has very high blood pressure, so we've been discussing that, as well. My entire family has very high blood pressure, and mine went up a lot during all of this, so I'm VERY impressed that you're so good after those steroids. My mom is right now very, very sick from the effects of her blood pressure medication, has to go back and forth to the doctor to readjust her medicine. She can't even function. You should be extremely proud that at 51 your BP is so fantastic. The alternative doesn't seem cozy.
 
Oooh!

I had two questions for you:

1.) What kind of clay do you use for your baths?

2.) What is the red-fruit antioxidant powder you use?

Thanks!
 

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