Anyone familiar with ADD?

kathryn

Cathlete
I have a student with ADD in my beginning French class, and he's driving me a bit up the wall! Are any of you familiar enough with ADD to tell me how much of this is ADD-related, and how much (if any) is just him being annoying? Your help would be appreciated.

And if you have any suggestions on how I can help him without taking away from the rest of the students (I've already put a kabbosh on his asking TOO MANY questions--to which the answers should be apparent to others, so I don't want to get the others into the habit of not paying attention and then getting the answer without doing the mental work they need to--in class, but to write some of them down and talk to me about them after class, so as not to disturb the flow of the class so much.

Some of the things he does:
I have students repeat a word about 4 times, in different ways (full class, 1/2 class), then a minute or two later (usually when we're onto something else), he asks how it's pronounced (I think that's the ADD at work!).

He seems to be very focused on details and worries excessively about them. For example, he's asked me several times how much I take off for missed accent marks on a test (exact points or fractions, etc.), because he isn't good at spelling. It's almost like he's setting himself up to make the spelling mistakes, in a way. Or at least that's how I would interpret it from a non-ADD student. In the same vein, he handed in an assignement, then anxiously asked me how he did on it (during the same class period in which he handed it in, so I hadn't even had a chance to look at it!!)

He has come into my office asking how to do a lab exercise, I explain it to him, he has a look on his face the entire time like he understands nothing of what I'm saying (no feedback there), but I find when I give him an example of what to do, that he actually does know how to do it and gives me the right answer. (Maybe he doesn't have confidence to know that he knows?) Then he comes in two days later, asking about the same exercise x( . It's almost like we never had the first conversation!

He says that he has the most problems with understanding spoken language (even in English!) because he is a visual learner, at which point I suggested he might want to take Latin, which is based on reading and writing, but he's determined to take French.

Help!
 
some things you mentioned sound more like asperger's(mild form of autism) then just straight add. many asperger ppl have add as well. i would see if you can maybe make communication with his parents to see if at home they can help him. if this is french i would assume this is high school or college age. so he should know how to calm himself down(as opposed to my daughter who gets easliy upset and frustrated and its hard to divert her attention back to the work). but he might be legit in having a hard time with learning. after all it is a learning disablity and most autism/aspergers/add ppl learn with visuals b/c they can see the information. when talking sometimes their brains cannot process the info all at once like we can.

i understand your frustration but it would be in the best interest if you can work something out b/c these kids are very able to learn but its pretty much they have to learn different. if he is old enough though he has to work with a consuler and yourself to come up with a way for him to "get" the spoken language of french. honsetly he might have bitten off more then he can chew b/c i couldn't handle to learn such a diffcult language. thats why i took latin and greek besides, my teacher didn't really teach the language as much as he did the history and the letters LOL. i got off light in that class.

good luck and i hope there can be a compromise not only for you but for the others in your class. everyone deserves the right for a fair education but they also have to take others into consideration.


kassia


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>some things you mentioned sound more like asperger's(mild
>form of autism) then just straight add. many asperger ppl have
>add as well. i would see if you can maybe make communication
>with his parents to see if at home they can help him.

Sorry, I should have specified for everybody that this is a university class, so I'm dealing directly with him and will never meet his parents.
 
honsetly he might have bitten
>off more then he can chew b/c i couldn't handle to learn such
>a diffcult language. thats why i took latin and greek besides,
>my teacher didn't really teach the language as much as he did
>the history and the letters LOL. i got off light in that
>class.
>

I was frankly a bit perplexed that he did choose French, or any language class that is so aurally/orally based, rather than Latin (which is writing and reading based) after he told me he has a hard time with listening and speaking. As a college student, he does have that choice, and could probably even get a waiver to not take the required 2 semesters of a Foreign Language if his disability makes it that hard. A large part of the entire class hour is spent on listening and speaking, and it only gets more so as we progress.

Thanks for the info. I only know he has ADD because he mentioned it when he brought me a letter from the disabilites office, which states what special considerations he needs--a note taker, more time to take tests, a separate testing room), but it doesn't state what his disability is.

I have another student who I thought might have a mild form of autism, but he hasn't brought me any letter. He talks louder than most. Enunciates in an exaggerated manner. Sometimes talks at inappropriate times (not raising his hand to do so, as everyone else does). And likes to share unsolicited information about things like "yes, that has to do with the Normal Conquest in 14..., I'm not sure of the exact date, but....." when I'm simply trying to show that the circumflex accent in French (^), often replaces an "s" that was in old French, and some old French words look a lot like English words (ie: forêt, which used to be "forest" ). But at least it's on the subject! Though now that I think of it, it's probably not autism, because he seems to like attention, but I have no idea what it is.

Good thing this is a strong class with good students, otherwise this could cause some problems with the other classmates.
 
I have to agree that it does sound a bit like Asperger's Syndrome. My 14 year old son has it and some of what you describe sounds like what we deal with on a daily basis. As far as my son goes, he has an IEP at school that will follow him through college so he'll get the support he needs there. But either my husband or I are working on his homework with him until late at night and I don't see this changing when he is in college. At that point we'll probably have tutors help him. I don't know how you'd deal with this particular young man if he doesn't have anything like that. Is it possible to confer with a counselor and how to support him so that he will succeed?
 
Kathryn,

I didn't know my husband was taking a French class.:eek:

Seriously, this doesn't sound like ADD to me. Kids with ADD have trouble staying on task. Sounds more like a problem with comprehension. Maybe he's dyslexic? Sorry for your frustration.

Michele
 
Kathryn, Did he tell you he has ADD? How did you find out?

I'm no special-needs specialist, but it looks like straight-up ADD to me. I didn't see any of the asperger symptoms from what you mentioned.

I would ask him if he has a mentor/counselor who helps/guides him with his life at school. Some mentors do daily checks with ADD kids to get them focused on a plan of action.

I can tell you for sure that ADD people can nod and smile and not get a single thing you're saying. They can also hyper-focus, especially if it's quiet. The more nervous they feel, the worse it gets. Life is hard for these kids/adults. I'm one of them.

It doesn't sound like he hasn't been taught coping skills. That's where a mentor would help. He should be carrying a recorder and writing everything down that he needs to remember. And he needs friends to support him when he slips up and gets off track.

If he's taking meds, then most of the above should not be happening. Nobody blurts things out in class, asks millions of questions, and then re-asks them because they are faking. The kid needs additional support. Maybe you could point him in the right direction.

Lexy
 
>Kathryn, Did he tell you he has ADD? How did you find out?
>
>
When he came in with his letter stating what kind of accomodations I was to make for him, he said he didn't want his volunteer note-takers to know who he was, and he wanted to remain anonymous because "when people find out you have ADD, they think you can help what you're doing" (I actually think students would be more tolerant of his sometimes "dumb-sounding" questions if they knew there was a reason for them. They aren't a mean group at all, and in fact seem very supportive of each other already, but once he asked a question that, coming from someone else, would have seemed pretty "duh!" and several people laughed--and I could understand why. If I hadn't known his situation, I would have been less patient.)
 
The more nervous they
>feel, the worse it gets.
That's something I was wondering about. Nervousness has a negative effect on people without ADD, and his already getting worried about the first test, and about how many points are on it, and how many oral sections are on it, and how much I take off for incorrect accents, makes it seem like he's getting himself a bit too worked up about it.


> He should be carrying a recorder and writing everything down that he needs to remember.

Before he told me about having a note-taker, I suggested that he could record the class sessions, but he didn't want to.


>And he needs friends to support him when he slips
>up and gets off track.

The notetaker (and the back-up notetaker) I found for him are really nice students, from what I can tell (they both volunteered to help when I asked them and didn't seem to have any reservations, or any expectations of gettiing anything out of it), and I have a feeling they could help him if they knew he needed some help(unless he started to become too much of a drain on them, which could very well happen). But he wants the anonymity, and I can't and won't go against his wishes.


>If he's taking meds, then most of the above should not be
>happening. Nobody blurts things out in class, asks millions
>of questions, and then re-asks them because they are faking.

The student who is blurting things out is a different student.

I was wondering about meds, but I don't think I can ask about that.
 
That's funny! So many different opinions. Let me put it this way, Kathryn, I've referred several kids for testing because I thought they were ADD and I was right-on. There are several different kinds of ADD (which is officially ADHD with or without hyperactivity). My son and I both have ADD. He takes meds and it's been nothing short of a miracle for him.

Asperger and PDD both fall under the major heading of Autism. There has to be other symptoms (sometimes physical) for him to fall in that category.

But HE said he was ADD, right? The disability office's requested "adjustments" are very much related to people coping with ADD. Maybe it's the same for other special needs, I dunno.

Alexis
 
Gawd! I'm like 2 steps behind in this conversation! Sound familiar?;)

No, you can't ask about the meds.

My son does not want ANYONE to know he has ADD. His 3 closest friends know because they knew him before he was medicated. He started taking meds at 17. Extremely bright kid but he just couldn't keep it together anymore. The kids with "real" problems (that can be easily hidden) feel badly that they can't "do it without help" as my son would say. They CAN be very bright and they don't understand why they can't remember. My son is only 19 so he hasn't had a lot of time to get used to the label.He's not receiving special services either. He's adament about that.

One more thing. They are so used to screwing up simple things that they develop "systems" of their own. My son is exactly the same. He mathematically figures out what he needs to get to stay afloat. It's not so he can slack off, it's so he can relax. I could go on for hours about this but I'll end with this: These kids have to put in more effort than others just to survive homework. Tests are enough to make them want to take a mini-vaction. And sometimes they withdraw cuz it's just too darned overwhelming. Watch that he stays engaged AND gets the breaks he needs. It will be a big help to him. They just wish they were regular.

Lexy
 

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