The Serial Bully

Jonezie

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Have you ever been bullied? Or cyber-bullied? As a child? An adult? In your own family? On this forum?

I teach an anti-bullying campaign to teenagers, but research shows that the majority of child and teenage bullies don't abandon their bullying in adulthood, but perfect it to an art form instead. I found this in a publication at work recently. It was addressed to employees dealing with adult bullies in the workforce. Notice #19...it is especially relevant to another thread happening concurrently.

"The serial bully:

1. is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment

2. has a Jekyll and Hyde nature - is vile, vicious and vindictive in private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can (or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature - only the current target of the serial bully's aggression sees both sides;

3. is emotionally retarded with an arrested level of emotional development; whilst language and intellect may appear to be that of an adult, the bully displays the emotional age of a five-year-old

4. is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy

5. holds deep prejudices (against anyone who believes differently) but goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial aspect of their personality secret

6. is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability, has a deep-seated contempt of perceived enemies

7. is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably

8. aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually unknowledgeably) about anything they choose

9. serial bullies despise anyone who enables others to see through their deception and their mask of sanity

10. displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their existence

11. shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow and arguments that don't hold water

12. flits from topic to topic so that you come away feeling you've never had a proper conversation

13. refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer

14. is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability

15. undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask

16. is adept at creating conflict between those who would otherwise collate incriminating information about them

17. is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account
gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to

18. is highly manipulative, especially of people's perceptions and emotions (eg guilt)

19. poisons peoples' minds by manipulating their perceptions (Often saying things like "You have no sense of humor" or "You're just too sensitive.")

20. when called upon to share or address the needs and concerns of others, responds with impatience, irritability and aggression

21. often has an overwhelming, unhealthy and narcissistic attention-seeking need to portray themselves as a wonderful, kind, caring and compassionate person, in contrast to their behaviour and treatment of others; the bully sees nothing wrong with their behavior and chooses to remain oblivious to the discrepancy between how they like to be seen and how they are seen by others

22. is mean-spirited, officious, and often unbelievably petty

23. is always a taker and never a giver

24. is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation, trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression, manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness)

25. often fraudulently claims qualifications, experience, titles, entitlements or affiliations which are ambiguous, misleading, or bogus

26. often misses the semantic meaning of language, misinterprets what is said, sometimes wrongly thinking that comments of a satirical, ironic or general negative nature apply to him or herself

27. is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion and fabrication

28. is the first to pick a fight, and the first to claim victimization once challenged ("the poor me" syndrome)

The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof; however, it is more likely that the bully knows what they are doing but elects to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which normal people are bound. If the bully knows what they are doing, they are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its consequences to other people. If the bully doesn't know what they are doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should apply."

:)Jonezie
 
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SORRY that was so long! I actually cut out the last part of the article, if you can believe. It seems bullying is a complicated subject.

:) Jonezie
 
I was bullied from kindergarten to Grade 12. Physical, emotional, you name it. Being the new kid year after year sure is fun, no?
 
I was bullied from kindergarten to Grade 12. Physical, emotional, you name it. Being the new kid year after year sure is fun, no?

Really, Morningstar?!? You must have dreaded going to school everyday! Did anyone ever help you? A teacher...or your parents? Another student, maybe?

I teach at a private middle school where most of the students come from strong, well-adjusted, usually spiritual, families. And I'm still surprised at the incidents of bullying. We don't have many, but the ones we do have are pretty inventive.

It's usually so much worse in groups/packs. Once you get them away from that, there isn't the same tendency to show off. Was that your experience, too?

And then there are a few girls that do it so under the radar for such a duration...so they can look completely innocent. Meanwhile the bullied child is starting to lose hair, is terrified of going to school everyday, etc.

So sorry to hear about your K-12 experience. I dropped out of high school for one year because I had a terrible bullying experience, too.

Just curious...have you seen any of those people since school?

:)Jonezie
 
Holy crap!! Totally. In fact, I was stalked in my early thirties by a manipulative freak. The stalking laws weren't as they are today or if they were, I was wayyyy to scared to do anything about it. I ended up needing to move 500 miles from where I lived. He found my cell phone #. but I managed to "disappear". I was really reluctant for many, many years to subscribe to any "networking" web-sites. I've looked him up on most of them and haven't found his legal name. But, he was such a jerk, he's probably in jail. Not to mention, I have Cathe workouts keeping me strong in all ways. Don't get me wrong, I'm not deluding myself that he can't find me. But, we live in a really tight-knit community where we watch out for each other.

My son is taking a Safe Kids Karate Class at school. It reinforces personal space and boundaries and when physical contact of anytime is appropriate.

I'm going to share your info with my fellow Mom's. You are awesome for bringing light to this and giving us definitions for very wrong behavior!

Thanks and God Bless you!
Pam
 
This is what I love....People who bully you and then say "I only do it because I like you so much"!!!! WTF??? is that? :rolleyes::confused::rolleyes::confused:

My MIL is a bully. :mad:

Erica

Sorry Erica......Shame on her!!!!! Fortunately I have a Wonderful MIL and I hope to be a great one too, some day......
 
Holy crap!! Totally. In fact, I was stalked in my early thirties by a manipulative freak. The stalking laws weren't as they are today or if they were, I was wayyyy to scared to do anything about it. I ended up needing to move 500 miles from where I lived. He found my cell phone #. but I managed to "disappear". I was really reluctant for many, many years to subscribe to any "networking" web-sites. I've looked him up on most of them and haven't found his legal name. But, he was such a jerk, he's probably in jail. Not to mention, I have Cathe workouts keeping me strong in all ways. Don't get me wrong, I'm not deluding myself that he can't find me. But, we live in a really tight-knit community where we watch out for each other.

My son is taking a Safe Kids Karate Class at school. It reinforces personal space and boundaries and when physical contact of anytime is appropriate.

I'm going to share your info with my fellow Mom's. You are awesome for bringing light to this and giving us definitions for very wrong behavior!

Thanks and God Bless you!
Pam

Pam...I'm glad you liked the info! Wow...talk about a stalker! I can't even imagine that. :(

I love that your son is in a karate...if I had known about martial arts as a kid, my life would have been so different. I got into muay thai in college...I'm sure you can agree what a sense of empowerment and discipline martial arts can bring into someone's life.

Just curious...has your son been able to use his karate skills (or the mental discipline behind them) in his daily life? Has it made him more self-confident?

Thanks for the kind words...and your post!

:)Jonezie
 
My MIL is a bully. :mad:

Erica

Erica...nooooooo!!! I can't imagine having to spend the rest of my life with a bully, especially at family holidays. How does your husband deal with it? Have you been able to stand up for yourself, or does that make it so much worse?

There was a show on Style network (I think), maybe WE...something like Outlaw In-Laws. Where an interventionist would come in and help set some kind boundaries and expectations for behavior between the son/daughter-in-law and the offending in-laws (or sometimes it WAS the son/daughter in law that was causing the trouble).

Did you ever see it? I don't think it's on anymore.

Look forward to hearing more... :)Jonezie
 
This is what I love....People who bully you and then say "I only do it because I like you so much"!!!! WTF??? is that? :rolleyes::confused::rolleyes::confused:

Spicegirl...has someone actually said this to you? What can you say to that...or do to fix it, really? Is this similar to getting spanked as a kid and your mom saying "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you?"
 
Erica...nooooooo!!! I can't imagine having to spend the rest of my life with a bully, especially at family holidays. How does your husband deal with it? Have you been able to stand up for yourself, or does that make it so much worse?

There was a show on Style network (I think), maybe WE...something like Outlaw In-Laws. Where an interventionist would come in and help set some kind boundaries and expectations for behavior between the son/daughter-in-law and the offending in-laws (or sometimes it WAS the son/daughter in law that was causing the trouble).

Did you ever see it? I don't think it's on anymore.

Look forward to hearing more... :)Jonezie

I never saw the show. It's been difficult to deal with my MIL. I mostly avoid her and don't see her unless it's a holiday or birthday. She's mean to me, my DH and our children. Not all the time, but you just never know when she's going to be in "a mood." I just had her over for dinner a couple of weeks ago to celebrate her birthday and she was awful to me. In my own home when I was doing something nice for her. After 23 years, I've had enough. I didn't confront her because I didn't want to do it in front of my kids, but I wish I had. DH ignores her and says she's crazy, but I think she needs to be told that her behavior is unacceptable. Probably won't do any good, but I feel like I need to have my say after so many years.

Spicegirl - you are very lucky that you have a nice MIL. I hope to be a great one someday. :)

Erica
 
There were several points in my life where I was bullied and each time the bully stopped once they find out that I have a mouth and will hit back when they hit me. It's strange though. My being quiet actually helped me whenever I chose to fight back. People really believed the saying, "it's always the quiet ones" and took me seriously when I lashed out. Never had to "address" the same person twice.

I hope when I have kids that they don't have to go through the same thing. It was a very lonely period for me and often felt I was being punished by God or just plain unloved by everyone.
 
I never saw the show. It's been difficult to deal with my MIL. I mostly avoid her and don't see her unless it's a holiday or birthday. She's mean to me, my DH and our children. Not all the time, but you just never know when she's going to be in "a mood." I just had her over for dinner a couple of weeks ago to celebrate her birthday and she was awful to me. In my own home when I was doing something nice for her. After 23 years, I've had enough. I didn't confront her because I didn't want to do it in front of my kids, but I wish I had. DH ignores her and says she's crazy, but I think she needs to be told that her behavior is unacceptable. Probably won't do any good, but I feel like I need to have my say after so many years.

Spicegirl - you are very lucky that you have a nice MIL. I hope to be a great one someday. :)

Erica

Erica...I can't imagine that for 23 years. I would be shaking...and probably crying. I am so sorry to hear this. What about a father-in-law? Is there one in the picture? Or some other in-laws that support you (does your husband have siblings)?

There were several points in my life where I was bullied and each time the bully stopped once they find out that I have a mouth and will hit back when they hit me. It's strange though. My being quiet actually helped me whenever I chose to fight back. People really believed the saying, "it's always the quiet ones" and took me seriously when I lashed out. Never had to "address" the same person twice.

I hope when I have kids that they don't have to go through the same thing. It was a very lonely period for me and often felt I was being punished by God or just plain unloved by everyone.

Lastchance...it breaks my heart to hear someone say they felt unloved or punished by God. :( I HOPE you don't feel that way now.

You bring up a VERY good point though...what DO WE tell our children when this happens to them? "Ignore it," "Tell someone," or "They're just jealous" just doesn't seem to be cutting it anymore.

Remember the cyber-bullying incident where the young teenage girl killed herself? And then there is a name we will never forget...Columbine...where the two students who committed that HORRIBLE act blamed it on bullying (in their journals and suicide notes). On Intervention last week, one of the addicts was actually a former Columbine student, a jock, who had been accused of running in the crowd (he'd graduated a year before the shootings) that bullied the shooters...blamed his addiction on the horrible guilt and shame he felt as a result. It seemed that his life had been ruined without ever having been hit by a bullet.

We hear so much about the horrific effects bullying has on our children and our society, and yet I don't know what I would say to my own child if they were being bullied. And I don't know what to say to the adult bullies who continue to say and do such cruel things, either. It's heartbreaking, really.

Jonezie
 
Spicegirl...has someone actually said this to you? What can you say to that...or do to fix it, really? Is this similar to getting spanked as a kid and your mom saying "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you?"


Funny.....but yeah....I've had both those things said to me!!!! Not much you can say....is there??!! Unbelievable.......REALLY?!!

Oh, by the way Elizabeth......enjoying your blog. Especially the Fat Free Olive Garden Dessert entree......too funny!
 
Funny.....but yeah....I've had both those things said to me!!!! Not much you can say....is there??!! Unbelievable.......REALLY?!!

Oh, by the way Elizabeth......enjoying your blog. Especially the Fat Free Olive Garden Dessert entree......too funny!

No...there's not anything you can say really. :( I bet they would hate it if someone did that to them.

That damn no-sugar added dessert!!! I was dis-gusted! But I'm so so glad you're reading with me...and enjoying it. I'm honored.

:) Talk to you soon, friend!

Jonezie

PS...I noticed you sell Avon. Their headquarters are just down the street from me. Have you ever been there? Lots of conveyor belts...I so want to go inside and recreate an I Love Lucy or Laverne and Shirley moment.
 
Mine too!!!

Oh, no...Linda...I've seen a photo of you on your wedding day, looking svelte and blissfully happy (But it could have been the fact you had Sidney in your lap, also).

Did you know she was a bully when you got married? Or did it happen afterwards?

This seems to be a trend...the MIL bully (or in-law bully)...how do you know if you're going to be able to get along with them for the rest of your life?
 
My MIL is a bully. :mad:

Erica

mine too girl :( but even i have a breaking point and its bound to come then it will make me the bad guy. but oh well i have a lot to say to defend myself as a person and as a mother that she couldn't hold a candle too. for now i am trying prayer and my therapy techniques to keep it from bothering me.

my issue goes beyond bulliying. i was a target b/c of what was going on at home. they saw a scared controlled person and took advantage of that. i didn't know how to defend myself b/c i was allowed to get home, it only made things worse. so i can't give a clear answer on the bullying. i think if i lived in a more grounded healthy household as a child i wouldn't have been bullied b/c a healthier childhood would have given me coping skills and even the voice to defend myself.

kassia
 
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mine too girl :( but even i have a breaking point and its bound to come then it will make me the bad guy. but oh well i have a lot to say to defend myself as a person and as a mother that she couldn't hold a candle too. for now i am trying prayer and my therapy techniques to keep it from bothering me.

my issue goes beyond bulliying. i was a target b/c of what was going on at home. they saw a scared controlled person and took advantage of that. i didn't know how to defend myself b/c i was allowed to get home, it only made things worse. so i can't give a clear answer on the bullying. i think if i lived in a more grounded healthy household as a child i wouldn't have been bullied b/c a healthier childhood would have given me coping skills and even the voice to defend myself.

kassia

Kassia...so sorry to hear. :( Why do some family members treat others WORSE than they do strangers, I wonder? You would think home would be the one place you'd be safe. Thanks for posting!

PS...please someone post a lovely MIL story before I choose never to marry! I know there has to be one or two! :)

Jonezie
 
Kassia - I think I've reached my breaking point with my MIL. Maybe not since I didn't confront her when she was nasty to me a couple of weeks ago. I'm done trying to please her, though. Like you, I came from a dysfunctional home and I was very young when I met her - I was 18 when I met her and 19 when I married DH. I wanted to please her and tried and it took me a long time to realize that nothing I did was ever going to change her behavior.

Linda - I need some of your attitude. Nice job. :)

Elizabeth - my FIL just ignores my MIL when she acts like that. So does my DH - that's just the way the family deals with her. It took me a long time to understand why no one stood up to her. She's very immature and it's impossible to reason with her - well, like in your bully post - she becomes the victim immediately if she is confronted. DH has a sister, but she has always been the favorite since childhood and also has breast cancer, so MIL babies her and would never treat her the way she treats DH and my family. I don't have support from my in-laws, but my friends have been very supportive. :) I checked out your blog last night and enjoyed it. You have a wonderful "voice" in your writing. :)

Erica
 

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