Okay, fellow vegetarians I need some ideas...

winsomehill

Cathlete
I'm trying to eat a 40-40-20 ratio and I'm finding it very difficult to get up to 40% protein. I don't eat eggs, I do eat dairy. Does anyone do this? Has anyone tried this? Should I change my plan? I've been having protein shakes made with spirutein and silk soy milk. I've been having cottage cheese and luna bars. But, I just keep going too high on my carbs. I'm feeling really frustrated.
Heather
 
I personally don't think a 40% protein diet is necessary or even healthy, but if you are looking for high protein vegetarian sources, here goes:

You may want to vary your protein shakes. I prefer a pea/rice protein mix (both are high quality proteins, and together, they make a complete protein) called "Vegan Complete" (I get it at www.veganessentials.com ). I am somehwat wary of isolated/concentrated soy proteins, as they may be linked to higher risk of breast cancer, according to some studies. BUT soy FOODS (tempeh, tofu, edamame, soy milk) have been eaten for centuries, and populations that eat soy foods have lower instances of many cancers, including breast cancer.

Other high protein vegetarian sources:
Seitan (or "wheat meat")-- a Japanese food originally, whose name means "pure protein" in Japanese. If you do a search in this forum under "seitan," you'll find a recipe I posted for making your own (cheapest way to do it). It is extremely high in protein, and has a very chewy "meat-like" consistency that is very satisfying.

Tempeh: an Indonesian food made from soy beans that are cultured with a mold that makes them more digestible and adds some beneficial bacteria. I like to use it for "mock chicken or the egg salad" (tastes to me kind of like chicken--though I haven't eaten that for almost 30 years!--and kind of like egg salad--though I haven't had that for at least 10 years).

Quinoa is a grain that is a complete protein, and higher in protein tha most grains. It makes a good substitute for making tabouleh.

Hemp is a complete protein as well. I get shelled hemp nuts and sprinkle some in my salads or toss it in a morning smoothie I make.

Beans (particularly black soy) and lentils, are also high in protein.

Luna bars will add some protein, but they are rather high in carbs as well.
 
Well hmmm...try adding nuts as a snack (sunflower or pumpkin seeds too!:D It has more fat than carbs, but that's one suggestion. Or try some natural peanut butter or oatmeal. I find that when reducing carbs in a vegetarian diet, the fat content goes up. I hope this helps!:D
 
Heather...I completely agree with everything Kathyrn said and happy she got to the other Vegan post too...THANKS Kathryn!

Are you eating alot of fruits and veggies daily? Those are the good important carbs. I am Vegan and so I can't help you on the dairy as I don't eat that. I did get a good cookbook called The Vegan Planet by Robin Robertson (I believe some libraries also carry it) it has recipes for tofu, tempeh and sietan which I have tried and are VERY good. I really do love tofu now and have not missed animal protein in 18 months!! Also check out this website www.vegsource.com there is a forum there which could help you too and they are good about answering any questions...:)...Carole
 
Thank you ladies for your feedback. The reason I was going for 40-40-20, is from the Leaness Lifestyle program. I found it through this forum. I did not know that Quinoa was a full protein. My confusion has been is it even possible to get that high. But, now I am interested in hearing why you feel that 40 percent protein is so bad for you. What is a ratio you aim for?
Thanks,
Heather
 
Hi Heather. I had been doing 40% protein for about the last 8 months as I had convinced myself that I would pack on the pounds with carbohydrates. I just started working out with a personal trainer who is also a registered dietician. When she reviewed my diet and saw that 40% of my 1500 calories were from protein she advised that if I keep going I run a huge risk of doing serious - and irreversible - damage to my kidneys. I had read all of the Atkins and forward debates and discussions about the impact of protein on the kidneys, but hearing stories from this trainer about the people she's working with - like former body builders now on dialysis - it's really made me go back and re-evaluate what I'm doing. You'll get a lot of feedback on this issue from these boards, and ultimately you have to do what works for your body. But that much protein wasn't working for me and without results why run the risk? Research it carefully though. Just my 2 cents.

Lorrie
 
Hi Heather, I forgot about Quinoa myself!! For me it is about what kind of protein. I have read that high protein can cause liver and kidney problems. In a book called "The China Study" they did some tests with Casein (A milk protein) and soy protein and it showed high amounts (50%) of animal portein increased cancer cell growth compared to lower amounts (10%)while the same amounts of soy protein did not. I know this won't help much but I don't even think about ratios when I eat. I do try for about 50-55 grams of vegetable protein though...but I am not strict....:)...Carole
 
There's a new book/DVD out called 'The RAVE diet and lifestyle" (most of the info in the book is in the DVD and vice versa--you can get them both for $19.95 from www.ravediet.com ). In it, the author talks about the benefits of a vegan diet, and dietary myths, such as the protein myth. The World Health Organization recommends 5% of calories from protein (you read correctly,just 5%), the same percentage that is in human milk (which furnishes babies needs at a time when they are growing the most). Even taking into account that other forms of protein might not be quite the exact "fit" that human milk is, and doubling that requirement, it brings you to 10%. Let's say that someone is in need of extra protein to build and repair tissues, like after getting hit by a bus and being mangled. Double that again. That only brings you to 20%.

It's also quite interesting that, vegan, vegetarian or omnivore, it would be difficult to eat as much as 40% protein using REAL FOODS. Some kind of supplementary protein source would have to be added. I have enough faith in Mother Nature (or whatever powers that be) to believe that we wouldn't be created to need more protein than we can get in a natural diet.

40% is very tough on your body, though, as Carole said, plant protein is less damaging (because of fewer sulphur-containing, acid-producing amino acids). It can weaken the immune system (as per Andrew Weil, who is rather conservative in his views). And it's not necessary, so the excess is either excreted (and since protein is the most expensive nutrient, it's a shame to send it down the drain...if you know what I mean!)

I think it's quite interesting that these newer "high protein" diets came out at about the time when people started eating more fruits and veggies and fewer animal products. Not a coincident, IMO. And if you consult any reputable health organization, you'll see that they do not at all endorse these diets.

Carbohydrates are protein sparing, so by eating a sufficient amount of natural carbs (not processed), you can make sure the protein you eat goes to muscle building rather than being used--quite inefficiently---for glycogen production.

I feel that as long as you are eating a primarily whole-foods diet, and a variety of foods, you will be fine. It's pretty difficult to have a "protein deficiency" unless you're living on twinkies and cola or just citrus fruits.
 
I completely agree with everything Kathyrn said and
>happy she got to the other Vegan post too...THANKS Kathryn!
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Carole, you KNOW I can't stay away from those kinds of posts!;-)

By the way, have you ever tried goji berries? I've been experimenting with some new foods lately, and this is something I thought I'd try. They are grown in the Himilayan mountains in Tibet, in an area where there are no pesticides. They are imported to the US only once a year (around this time...I had to wait to get them after I found out about them). I read a lot about them, and they are VERY healthy,, and have been used in Tibetan medicine for centuries. Even 10% protein (quite intersting for a fruit, IMO). Best thing is, they taste REALLY good! Like a dried cranberry that's not at all tart, or a cross between a raisin and an dried cherry (but not as sweet or tart). They aren't dried like raisins (which still have a lot of moisture in), but are almost the texture of dried zucchini (kind of crispy, but chewy when you eat them). I've been using them in my morning smoothie the last few days. (As well as maca root, another new discovery, and hemp powder---though I see that VeganEssentials just added a vegan protein powder made with: hemp, maca and goji berries!).

Another new find, the "RAVE DIET" book and DVD. Very good info, similar to "Eat to Live," with just a few things I question. I especially like the DVD.
 
>Carole, you KNOW I can't stay away from those kinds of
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Kathryn..yes I do know this! I am happy you are on this forum with lots of info for all of us...:)...Carole
 

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