Those who have kettle ball question

cecil

Cathlete
I found them at target today and they offer a video as well. For those of you that have them what is your opinion of them? Give me some gossip on them please!! Thankyou!!

Lisa

ooops I meant to say kettle bells and I just saw Angela is thinking of returning hers why angela? Let me know
 
I have been training with kettlebells for about a year now. I love them. They provide both cardio, weight and strength training. They are versatile, somewhere between a medicine ball and dumbbell in terms of their range of motion. You can work your whole body with kettlebells in about 45 minutes. I feel that I have gained more strength and endurance. I have 5 kettlebells and I'm looking to get 2 more. I began training with an instructor in the beginning but now mainly train on my own with several videos. You will want to get into them slowly as some movements are very different than tradition weight/strength training. I highly recommend them.

HTH,
 
Jane,
Thankyou so much-what videos do you use? The one at target had an instructor I have never heard of. Once again thankyou so much for your help!

Sincerely,
Lisa
 
Well, this is no help immediately, but something to look for in the future. On Amy Bento's forums she recently announced she'll be filming a kettlebell workout:
Hello Everyone:
I am happy to announce... we will be filming a total body kettlebell workout in December. I don't have all the release details as of yet. I will not own the rights to this video, will not be selling it on my site and it will go straight to the retail market as far as I know. Unchenna and Angela will be joining me for this production. It will be 60 minutes in length and we will be training all muscle groups. (It will be advanced training) We are filming in Northern New Jersey with a crew that does a lot of work with Gilad.

This workout will be three 15 minute workouts. 1. Beginner,2. intermediate and 3. Advanced with a 15 minute stretch segment.

This will be Snatch/clean style kettlebell training and we will be using 10 to 30 pounds kettlebells.


I also saw the Target kettlebells and thought I might get some before Amy's workout releases, which I guess probably won't be until the spring at least.

[font face="comic sans ms" font color=teal]***Lainie***

My fitness blog: http://web.mac.com/lainiefig/iWeb/Site/Exercise/Exercise.html
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Hi Lisa,

There are a couple of good videos out there. One of them is Lisa Shaffer's Kettlebell Basics. This is an instructional dvd that will teach you the basic and good form. I have the book but she also has a dvd. Her website is www.nofearfitness.com. Another good one is The Kettlebell Goddess Workout by Andrea DuCane. You can get this one at www.dragondoor.com. The latest one I have is through The Art of Strength called Providence. You might want to get the basics down first before trying this one as it is a true kettlebell workout without much instruction. The website is www.artofstrength.com. You can find great information about kettlebells on all of these sites.

Enjoy,
 
>What videos do you use?

In addition to the workouts Jane mentioned, there are two work-alongs by Sarah Lurie (the same woman who does the instructional DVD that comes with the GoFit KB at Target. They are good for beginners.

I also highly recommend the Lisa Shaffer book and DVD for those starting kettlebells: they both give excellent form tips. Some of the basic info from her book is excerpted here: http://davedraper.com/pdfs/BeginnerEbook2.pdf

I recommend this order of approach:
Instructional tutorial (Lisa Shaffer, Sarah Lurie or Agatsu "Power and Grace" www.agatsu.com ,the latter is a DVD-R, if that makes any difference to you)

Beginner 'work alongs": Sarah Lurie volumes 1 and 2

Progressing: Goddesss workout (this DVD contains a number of workout combinations, as well as the ability to mix and match for your own workout.

AOS Providence

AOS Newport

I've just been practicing KB's for a few months, not really spending a lot of time on them (more like 'playing' with them!), and progressing slowly to work on good form, but in a short time, I've been able to increase my weight quite a bit on swings (one of the basic moves that is important to master before trying some of the moves based on it), and feel it is a great way to combine strength training, flexibility and cardio in one workout. It also is great for the lower back, as it works lower back strength endurance, which experts say is more important for avoiding back problems than is just lower back strength. For me, it also seems to work out tightness that I used to get in my shoulder/trap area.

Ballistic moves like swings have a high cardio component to them, while slower 'grind' moves like military press work strength.

Another thing about KB training : it's really fun!

HTH!
 
> I meant to say kettle bells

You can find a lot of info on the internet about them, but look under "kettlebell" (one word), or a search might not work.

www.youtube.com has several video demos of kettlebell moves (some by professional RKC's ---kettlebell instructors certified by Pavel Tsatsouline--but also some amateur "look what I can do" videos that don't necessarily show the best form).
 
Thankyou so much Lainie, Jane and Kathryn.

I am going to check out those websites and I am going to buy the kettlebells. It looks like fun and I could use something different and fun. Once again thankyou so muc for your help!!!

Sincerely,

Lisa
 
Cathe + Kettlebells!

I just did 4DS KB + Legs, and used my kettlebells for many of the moves: the deadlift ("good morning stretch" in kettlebell lingo!) works great, and for leg presses, it's easier to hold on to the horns of a kettlebell than to try to hold one dumbell (at least for me: I have smallish hands, and I can't safely hold a dumbell heavier than 15# by the ends), and I could do the plié squats picking the KB up from the floor (also easier to grab than a dumbell handle, IMO). The only dumbell/barbell moves I didn't use them for were the warm-up squats (I used a barbell) and the other squats (I did them on my Soloflex Rockit---it was getting dusty and needed to be used!).

I think I experiences what KB literature refers to as the "WTH" factor of kettlebells: practice with them makes you do other things better, even things you aren't practicing. I used 200# for my Rockit squats (actually more like a hybrid squat/leg press) and it felt pretty easy (I've used up to 240# before, but it never felt as easy as this).
 
(I just can't stay away from this thread! LOL!)

Lisa, a head's up:
I just got the new Perform Better catalog, and there is a new instructional DVD set from Anthony DiLuglio in it. 2 CD's for $69.95. It's brand new, and I haven't seen it, but I would venture to guess it's really good, as his tutorials on his web site are very good.
 
Thankyou Kathryn!!!!! I soooooo appreciate your help-I am going to order this!!

Have a great evening!!

Lisa
 
>Thankyou Kathryn!!!!! I soooooo appreciate your help-I am
>going to order this!!

I hope you like it. Let me know what you think.
 
I thought I was going to love kettlebells, but I ended up returning them. The tutorial DVD's I had...Sara somebody (the ones you can get at Targe and Dick's) are good but boring to me. I also found that kettlebell workouts were so DANG expensive. I know a lot of people get a lot of use by checking the logs of kettlebell people and making up their own circuits/routines but I do much better with a DVD and motivating music. I think the Art of Strength workouts look fabulous and I'm quite sure I would have LOVED them, but $50 for one workout was just too high of a price. I wanted to invest my money in workouts/equipment that I, personally, would get a ton of use out of. I only spent half the money I spent on kettlebells and I invested in MORE new workouts and will buy heavier DB's instead. I may one day give kettlebells a try again. I think they are a functional tool that have a lot of benefit, I just didn't feel they would benefit me without me being able to affordably assess motivating workouts to use with them.
Angela:7
 
I'm curious about these as well since I'm a Bento fan & she's making a workout. What I don't get is how are they different from using dumbells, barbells or med balls? I have Corballs at home which are basically med balls w/handles. Someone please enlighten me!
 
> What I don't get is how are they different
>from using dumbells, barbells or med balls? I have Corballs
>at home which are basically med balls w/handles. Someone
>please enlighten me!

You can definitely use dumbells for some of the kettlebell moves(there's even a DVD out that I saw while I was searching online that does an entire workout of KB exercises using dumbells). I'm not sure how Corballs would work, but they are probably a bit big for some moves (KB's are more compact), and they may not be heavy enough for others (I'm using 35.2# and 44# for swings now, and I know other women who are using around 75# for them). Also, I'm not sure how comfortable the handles would be for some moves (but you can try them---start with some swings: watch the demo's on www.artofstrength.com or on www.youtube.com).

There are certain advantages to the KBs over dumbells:

For many of the KB-specific moves, like swings, the KB just feels more natural and moves more naturally. I also find the handle more comfortable than a DB for some moves (like the plié squats in 4DS Kickboxing).

The offset handle means the weight is not directly over the joint when doing some moves like military presses, which challenges your stability, and strenghtens the ligaments and supporting muscles.

The kettlebells can more closely mimic lifting in the real world, where objects aren't perfectly seated over our joints and may tend to pull us offcenter unless we contrl them.

Doing a move like a Turkish Get-up or a Windmill, or any move where you are holding the kettlebell locked out overhead (yes, you are supposed lock the elbow--which is safe in this instance--and hold the bell back a bit) while bending at the waist and keeping the shoulder sucked down into the socket work stability, strength and flexibility (you develop shoulder flexibility at the same time as strength by keeping the bell aimed towards the ceiling as you move and keeping the arm back behind your ear).It also feels really good on the shoulder (on mine, at least !).

The swing works pretty much everything: almost all muscles from the feet (kettlebell work is best done barefoot, or wearing shoes that aren't too supportive, like Keds, to work on the muscles of the feet and ankles and to provide best proprioception) to the shoulders (I'm convinced it's doing swings that worked out some shoulder tension that I had been carrying around for weeks). As I mentioned, you can do this with a dumbell, but it doesn't have the same feel or 'naturalness' about it.

Most KB exercises work multiple muscle groups, many of them almost all the muscles in your body (swings, as I mentioned, sequential cleans, snatches), so it makes for a very time-efficient workout (Excuse me if I'm being redundant: I might be repeating some of the things I said in a previous post, but I didn't reread it, and I don't feel like checking it out mid-post!)

I think I mentioned the benefits to back health (working muscle endurance vs. strength) of using KBs (several chiropractors recommend them, and when I told my chiropractor about them, he thought they'd be great for strengthing the stabilizing muscles and the tendons and ligaments). Various swings and other moves based on them, as well as other moves using the 'hip snap" (I think of it more as a 'hard-core porn hip thrust,' as it helps me visualize it better) teach your body to use the power of the legs and hips rather than the lower back, thus protecting the back.

Along with these benefits, I personally find the KB a good change from dumbells and barbells. There is a more playful, fun aspect to using them. And I absolutely adore swings! Just 3 sets of 20 reps on days when I'm really short on time, and I feel like I've done something and gotten both cardio and strength benefits. (And like several of the KB moves, swings work the booty really well! Another reason I like them).

You definitely don't need to go 'all kettlebells, all the time' to benefit from them, but I personlly think they're a great addition to a workout routine. Just a few sets of swings (lighter weight and more reps for more cardio, higher weight and fewer reps for strength emphasis) before, during or after a more traditional weight workout would be an easy way to incorporate their benefits without going all-out.

The big disadvantage of them is that they are a pricey hobby/fitness pursuit. All the DVD's are high priced (some more than others), but if more mainstream instructors get into them, like Amy, that may start to change. (I haven't figured out why they are so pricey, except maybe there is a relatively small demand for them, thus the higher cost). Kettlebells are pricey (especially when some places, like Dragon Door, charge an arm and a leg for shipping---almost as much as the bells themselves. Perform Better has REALLY reasonable shipping costs on them, though). But, once you have a kettlebell, it's pretty much a lifetime investment. Not much can happen to a big chunk of iron (especially if it's coated to resist rust).

You can also read some of the articles at www.dragondoor.com (sometimes a bit cultish around "Pavel") or www.artofstrength.com (more sensible, IMO!) on the benefits of kettlebells. Or do a web search on 'why kettlebells' and see what comes up.

HTH!

(TMI?:eek: )
 
Everything you wanted to know about kettlebells but were afraid to ask. ;-) Thanks Kathryn. I'll wait for Amy's workout & see if I want to make the investment. Plus I don't have dumbells that heavy at home. :p
 
>Everything you wanted to know about kettlebells but were
>afraid to ask. ;-)

Oh, my! My post didn't look THAT long while I was typing it!

I guess I should be glad Cathe doesn't charge us per word for our postings (then I for sure wouldn't be able to afford kettlebell stuff, LOL!)

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dumbell swings are as good--and cheaper than kettlebells

No need to spend $100 on kettlebells; dumbell swings are as good as (if not better) kettlebell swings. See Youtube for tutorials.
 

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